Andy Mcnab and the war on terror

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:24 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
But, come on, Oil is at least one of the motivations for the war.

Why?

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:13 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Just read a few choice quotes from Andy McNab (ex-SAS, served in the 1st gulf war in the legendary Bravo Two Zero) :

Why are we really in Iraq?
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For the oil, thats it. The first attacks in the war weren't on the mainland - they were on oil rigs. Saddam wasn't a threat. You can moan about it from a moral point of view, but if you were paying £8 a gallon, there'd be riots in the streets. Iran's got a lot of gas, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next.

Rendition:
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This is where you sieze a suspect for interrogation. Western goverments want to keep to their civil liberties laws, so you lift a suspect from the streets and fly them to a friendly country - often Pakistan or a north African country. Western goverments can then say, "We don't torture anyone." You just get someone in another country to do it for you.

When will our troops come home?
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Britain and America will want it to look like we've come home. But there's no exit plan. The US will be enclosed in their military cities, and we'll have our little bit down south. We'll say we've handed over to the Iraqi military, but we'll still have a huge military presence, because the troops who are no longer in Saudi will be stationed in Iraq instead.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

I always think, looking at past actions normally helps you figure out where things are going... and sometimes why.

That said, I would also like to throw in no matter what we think, or why we think it.... the opinion of the people who live in the places which have been invaded are going to be just a little more important to the outcome of this mess...

I think that is just a minor reason I found this article so interesting :

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/45CDB208-0432-426A-A7D5-B415DAB
01173.htm

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_police/de_do_do_do_de_da_da_da.h
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CITIZEN

Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:05 PM

http://www.oilempire.us/iraqoil.html

erm, if you gave my a reason as to why you were asking why I might be able to tell you...

rather than just throwing my sentence away with a one word answer...

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

AURAPTOR

Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:48 PM

Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices ? Or him using the $$ from oil sales to build up his army (again)??

We're still in Bosnia, aren't we? Clinton said we'd be out of there by Christmas ( never said what year, though) Some exit strategy we've got there too.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SERGEANTX

Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:00 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We're still in Bosnia, aren't we? Clinton said we'd be out of there by Christmas ( never said what year, though) Some exit strategy we've got there too.

Exactly. All you have to do is read Bush's foreign policy papers, or those of his cabinet, and it becomes overwhelmingly clear. They're just getting started.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
erm, if you gave my a reason as to why you were asking why I might be able to tell you...

Why do I need to give you a reason? Is the answer you give going to be dependent on why I’m asking, and if so, why?

In any event, however, the site you linked told me what I wanted to know so I’m content with your response, if that site is indeed representative of what you believe.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

CITIZEN

Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:38 PM

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Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices ? Or him using the $$ from oil sales to build up his army (again)??

You mean like how America held Japan hostage for its oil supplies before Perl Harbour?
Or how Bush is using the situation in Iraq and Iraqi oil to line his pockets and those of his friends?
No I'm sure theres absolutly nothing wrong with it.

Finn:

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Why do I need to give you a reason? Is the answer you give going to be dependent on my I’m asking, and if so, why?

Yep, because I wasn't sure why you were asking why...
why?
because, just because...
theres way too many whys in that sentence and I've confused myself...
It's just it seemed a very short question, that to fully answer would have required a very long answer, is all...
Besides, from what little I know about your personallity, I saw it as a possibillity that you might just keep asking me Why? to every answer, a prospect that pained me...
...deep inside...

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:51 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices ? Or him using the $$ from oil sales to build up his army (again)??

We're still in Bosnia, aren't we? Clinton said we'd be out of there by Christmas ( never said what year, though) Some exit strategy we've got there too.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Didn't you defend capitalism in the other thread ?

Have oil prices dropped at all lately?

is the US the only one allowed to have a military now ?

If invasion for economic reasons is ethical.... then what was the problem with Iraq taking Kuwait in the first place ?

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_police/de_do_do_do_de_da_da_da.h
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HKCAVALIER

Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Whats so criminal about not wanting a tyrannical dictator holding the Western world hostage with high oil prices?

I know others have commented on this here, but it's worth a little more. The oil is on their land. It is in effect theirs. We don't like that, we better suck it up and work on those hydrogen cars. Or maybe we should just get our oil someplace else...um...hey! Wait a minute!

What's wrong with it? I'd say using the term "hostage" in this context is in poor taste considering the actual hostages being taken, tortured and beheaded by our enemies. Oh, and human lives really should be more important than cheap oil. "Sorry, Mrs. America, your son is dead, but gas prices are down 50 cents a gallon!"

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:29 PM

AURaptor's post illustrates how easy it is to forget what's really at stake here: human lives, a good number of them innocent. Before 9/11 no one here would have conscienced it. Now our friends and neighbors discuss the relative merits of genocide at cocktail parties and everyone is supposed to have a stance on the effectiveness of torture. Just as violent television numbs viewers, our violence-soaked discourse coopts atrocity and turns the unthinkable into an online battle for coolness points. I'm not saying I don't participate in the coolness point race, but that's what online chat boards have always been about. They haven't always been about glass parkinglots and what constitutes torture or not (well, not most boards anyway).

We have a lot of soldiers and ex-soldiers on this board. Some support the war in Iraq, some do not. Many folks who thought the war was just and righteous to begin with, have since changed their tune. Enough sons and daughters die and Americans at home turn against the war. Are we all just that selfish? Let the war do its thing as long as it doesn't directly affect ourselves, our neighbors or loved ones?

I personally have too much empathy for that. Sometimes I wish I didn't; I'd feel a little more, you know, comfortable in the world. I've been accused of being disingenuous, being a hypocrite, soft-headed, having "fits," being unrealistic to the point of madness or absurdity because I don't believe the stakes are high enough to justify the systematic destruction of a people and their way of life no matter how barbaric, backward or inhumane that way of life may be. Their way of life is theirs and it works for them somehow. I'm not saying we can never do anything about injustice in the world, but we missed our opportunity in Iraq when we stood by while Hussein quietly kill off all the folks that wanted revolution after the first Gulf War.

This war-- which has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians over there--is not about how Iraq didn't work for the Iraqis, it's about how Iraq no longer served our purposes.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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