Straight from the Horses orifice..........

POSTED BY: BarnStormer
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BARNSTORMER

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:44 PM

A bit of a Freudian slip I'd say!!!!!!

London Islamic Militant Cleric says...

"I could do evil here, I could do that back in a Muslim country."

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=14079=14079&format=0

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

BARNSTORMER

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:47 PM

bump

How about it? What do you all make of this statement?

In case you don't want to click the link.
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WASHINGTON - Just hours before the latest attacks on London's transport system, one of Britain's most radical Muslim clerics predicted more violence against the country, The New York Times reported Friday.

"Unless British foreign policy is changed and they withdraw forces from Iraq, I'm afraid there's going to be a lot of attacks, just the way it happened in Madrid and the way it happened in London," Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed told the paper in a telephone interview from London late Wednesday.

Three near-simultaneous blasts took place on London Underground trains at lunchtime the next day, with a fourth going off on a bus around an hour later. The bombings caused no injuries but police said they were similar to those seen on July 7, when at least 56 people died and more than 700 were hurt.

As one of Britain's most outspoken imams, Bakri, a Syrian who was granted asylum in Britain in 1986 and receives public assistance, is under consideration by British authorities for deportation.

In the interview with the New York Times, he blamed the July 7 bombings on the British government and people.

"They know that the prime minister (Tony Blair) has his hands full of the blood of Muslims in Palestine and in Iraq and in Afghanistan," he said of young Muslims.

He said the West's "war on terror" had incensed young people, causing some to want to strike out against Britain.

"We hear from many people who say they want to attack," he said.

As to his own future, Bakri, who has often refered to the September 11 hijackers as "the magnificent 19," said he would probably leave Britain in the next several days on his own.

"After all, I could worship God here, I could worship God back in Lebanon," he said. "I could do evil here, I could do that back in a Muslim country."

He said he no longer felt at home in Britain.

"They want to deport me, let it be ...They want to arrest me, let it be."
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Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:33 PM

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Originally posted in another thread by Someone Enormously Clever:
With our military superiority, we effectively hold the entire world hostage to our good will. Is that too difficult to understand? It's like the old good cop/bad cop ploy. The bare fact of our military power which we have demonstrated regularly around the world since Hiroshima, is the "bad cop" that stands in the back of the room at the ready, observing, while we "spread liberty and justice."

Good cop/bad cop is a fundamentally coercive method of controling someone. The "good cop" denies his complicity with the "bad cop," just as we deny our historical context. When you control someone, you limit their options and eventually, like as not, they will hate you for it. When we act violently, against the collective will of the rest of the world, why shouldn't we be seen as a lawless threat? A lawless threat that can, if we thought it needful, render the entire globe uninhabitable. In that regard we are far, far more dangerous than Al Kaeda. We must stop ignoring the fact that the world is rightfully frightened of us.

And for clarity's sake, I do not believe that we are a lawless threat (yet), but I certainly understand why a body might get that impression standing on the other side of our line in the sand.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
How about it? What do you all make of this statement?

The guy's a fruitcake. He deserves nothing less then our contempt.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

BARNSTORMER

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
How about it? What do you all make of this statement?
The guy's a fruitcake. He deserves nothing less then our contempt.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

Yep, I hear ya.

My attention was caught by that "I can do evil here...." statement. I find it difficult not to think of these people as "Evil". It was just suprising to see one of them so proudly saying it himself!

What a screwed up situation this is.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:54 PM

I just wish guys like this had some sorta hobby, y'know? Something he liked to do, even a favourite tv show?
Maybe we could send him some region 2 dvd's of Firefly, then his gorram life wouldn't be in such need of a destructive purpose.

Then again we could make his purpose useless by getting out of the middle east....

My two sheckles Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:59 PM

Quote:
original post by Finn mac Cumhal:
The guy's a fruitcake. He deserves nothing less then our contempt.

Not sure how I'm gonna do this so I'll just blurt it out :- I agree with you Finn.

The mind set of some of the fanatical islamic clerics over here seems really funny, if you catch my meaning.

Take Abu Hamza, a man who hates Britain (so he says), but doesn't want to leave, and doesn't mind pocketing thousands of pounds of hands from the goverment.

Quote:
Insightful words of Abu Hamza:
Bin Laden is a good guy. Everyone likes him in the Muslim world, there is nothing wrong with the man and his beliefs.
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I say go and do it (steal), take shoot and loot.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3752517.stm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12146169&method
=full&siteid=50143

And his thoughts on the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster:

Quote:
More insights by Abu Hamza:
"These missions would increase the number of satellites for military purposes. It would increase the slavery of governance of other countries by America. It is a punishment from God. Muslims see it that way. It is a trinity of evil because it carried Americans, an Israeli and a Hindu, a trinity of evil against Islam. The fact that the motor of the craft fell on Palestine - all these are messages from God. It is a strong message, for the Israeli, to be taken up there to space and he spoke about the Holocaust, to try to make religious advancement from it and gain some moral high ground, hence you have seen this message over Palestine."

Bless him eh...

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 AM

Okay, help me out here. Whenever I hear from the Islamic fundies about America and the west, the central focus always seems to be what they consider to be our militarism and imperialism. Take the two examples given in this thread, for instance. Time and time again, they talk about our presence in the Middle East being unacceptable and hostile to them--blood on our hands, etc.

But y'all keep saying they hate us because of our culture. There are plenty of fundamentalist Christians in this country who hate mainstream American culture as well. They've said some pretty hateful things in their time. That's what fundamentalists do. They're not the most tolerant folk.

Though the Islamic fundies passionately disapprove of our culture, the salient point at all times seems to be our military presence. And yet y'all just gloss over that as irrelevant. Why?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Though the Islamic fundies passionately disapprove of our culture, the salient point at all times seems to be our military presence. And yet y'all just gloss over that as irrelevant. Why?

I don’t think anyone is glossing over it. I just think that not everyone puts as much faith in appeasement as you do. After we allow men who saw the heads off of screaming innocent victims to dictate American and British foreign policy by withdrawing our military support from our allies and interests in the Middle East, then what? Should we hand them Israel as well and let them finish what Hitler couldn’t? Should we hand them Kuwait? Afghanistan? Saudi Arabia? It is control of the Middle East they want, and right now our military power stands in their way, and that’s why they have such a problem with our military presence. I don't want Al Zawahiri dictating American power.

And that’s why. For me, anyway.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It is control of the Middle East they want, and right now our military power stands in their way, and that’s why they have such a problem with our military presence.

Lol, what a great sentence. Is that why we invaded Iraq? Cuz that's not the reason I heard from Bush. But I'm glad we're there, keeping the Middle East safe.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

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