questions to tie up angel

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EST120

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 1:05 PM

okay, i have seen all the episodes of angel (and they were great!), but i still have a couple of questions. perhaps some people can help me. just a quick note, there may be spoilers for people who do not know the whole story, so beware!

1. in the finale, connor tells angel he knows who he is. does he figure this out in the previous episode where wesley smashes the "thingy" from vail? does he know then and just not say anything? does that make his last line in that episode, "you protect your family, i learned that from my father" directed at angel?

2. why does lindsay end up helping them? of course, we know that he is obsessed with the senior partners, but he never said that he wanted to destroy them or fight with them. also, why does angel have him killed? they have been adversaries for years, but was there really no way angel could trust him or even just let him live?

3. if angel can feed off of hamilton and gain some of his strength in order to defeat him, does that mean hamilton is human? we know that the liason to the senior partners is immortal, but are they (hamilton and eve) just immortal humans?

4. when gunn goes to the white room to plead for fred's life, who is it that he is talking to? in season 4, we see the little girl that, i thought, was the conduit to the senior partners. does the beast kill her? why all of a sudden does the conduit alter forms?

i know this is a lot of minutiae, but i am sure most of these questions have answers that i just missed while watching the (most likely) edited episodes on TV.

STEVETHEPIRATE

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 3:05 PM

1. in the finale, connor tells angel he knows who he is. does he figure this out in the previous episode where wesley smashes the "thingy" from vail? does he know then and just not say anything? does that make his last line in that episode, "you protect your family, i learned that from my father" directed at angel?

Answer: In short, yes.

2. why does lindsay end up helping them? of course, we know that he is obsessed with the senior partners, but he never said that he wanted to destroy them or fight with them. also, why does angel have him killed? they have been adversaries for years, but was there really no way angel could trust him or even just let him live?

Answer (mine, at least): I think Lindsay helped because it suited him at the time - make everyone think he's using the "if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality and use that to try to kill Angel later. Angel sees through it and, after Lindsay has served his purpose, *bang*.

3. if angel can feed off of hamilton and gain some of his strength in order to defeat him, does that mean hamilton is human? we know that the liason to the senior partners is immortal, but are they (hamilton and eve) just immortal humans?

Answer: It's been established that vampires can feed off of more beings than just humans, so Hamilton could be anything. It's the "their mystical power flows through my veins" thing that's important.

4. when gunn goes to the white room to plead for fred's life, who is it that he is talking to? in season 4, we see the little girl that, i thought, was the conduit to the senior partners. does the beast kill her? why all of a sudden does the conduit alter forms?

Answer: The Beast did kill the little-girl conduit in mid-season 4. Conduit became a tiger several episodes later (season 4 finale or season 5 premier - I forget which). What form the conduit takes is not really integral to its purpose.

MAUGWAI

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 3:48 PM

1) When the box breaks, one of the images that flashes by is Connor with a tear rolling down his face because he just got all his memories back. That's why he's able to kick ass. He remembers how.

2) Angel is bringing down every bad guy he can until he can't fight anymore. That includes Lindsay, because Lindsay has already had three opportunities to give up evil and has failed each time. He will always be evil, even if he thinks he's part of the team now. Angel had to have him killed.

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

ODDNESS2HER

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 5:17 PM

1) Yes

2) Lindsay wanted to be on the winning side. This does not mean he embraces the values of Team Angel. Lorne's speech says it all.

3) Not sure what Hamilton is, but if he has blood, he's fair game.

4) The replacement conduit seems to take whatever form will be most effective at delivering its message, whether that be a leopard or a mirror image of the one seeking answers.

EMBERS

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 5:49 PM

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Originally posted by oddness2her:
4) The replacement conduit seems to take whatever form will be most effective at delivering its message, whether that be a leopard or a mirror image of the one seeking answers.

I might add that I think that there were elements of Gunn in the leopard, and the leopard in Gunn...
remember in Angel's 'dream' when Gunn's eyes turned to cat's eyes?
There was some kind of connection or meeting of the minds there, so I didn't see that the conduit was necessarily 'changing forms' between the cat and Gunn.
But, yeah, the Beast DID kill the little girl as conduit.

Now I have a question:
In Lineage We understand that Wes' Father masterminded the whole thing with the robot attack in order to steal Angel's whatever...
BUT when Wesley kills his Father, and discovers that he is really a robot, we figure that the 'father robot' was programmed with all kinds of info from The Council.
But by whom?
Who programmed the 'father robot'?
Who was behind that attack?

just wondering

GROUNDED

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 5:56 PM

I don't think it matters. I think the point is that they have a whole new set of enemies now they're in W&H, including ones with far greater reach and motivation that before.

ODDNESS2HER

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 6:12 PM

Yeah, Embers, I think you're right about there being a "connection" between Gunn and the leopard on a primal level. That's why it was a good incarnation for the conduit to take. In that sense the appearance of the conduit is always a mirror image, no matter what it looks like. Whoa, heavy.

Re "Lineage" questions:

How funny, I just re-watched this episode last night! I don't think it was really explained who was behind the robot attack. This was probably a story line they meant to expand on later, but couldn't due to cancellation.

ZEEK

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 6:44 PM

I heard at one point someone said the sign of the black thorn (whatever the uber evil dude society was called) was on the robots. So it's possible that one of them sent the robots to take control of Angel.

When I watched the episode though I thought it must have been a surviving council member. There was a thread here about the possibility that Giles sent the robots even.

I too believe this would have been explored had the show not been cancelled.

EST120

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 6:51 PM

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Originally posted by oddness2her:
1) Yes

so, does this mean that connor has, on some level, accepted angel? he says in the finale that he understands why angel did what he did. even mentioned that he appreciated it. did connor kind of overcome the hate towards angel that holtz had bred for years in that alternate dimension?

IDEFIX

Tuesday, March 1, 2005 7:11 PM

Connor in S5 was the boy he could/should have been. he was happy, healthy and well-adjusted. when he got his original memories back it seemed like a dream to him. he now knows the whole story and being a normal happy kid he's able to deal with it and accept his father for what he is. and what he's done for him in making sure he got this second chance.

and the big cat conduit was a black panther, wasn't it? no stripes no spots, shiny black fur all over. unless I got something very confused in my mind.

Idefix

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