Angel's return from hell
POSTED BY: Zeek
UPDATED: Saturday, January 15, 2005 23:25
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I don't even know if this belongs here since technically it happened on Btvs, but I'll post it here anyway.
So Buffy sends Angel to hell to stop the whole world from being sucked into there. I follow that one. Then Angel just reappears out of thin air literally. Why?
They never explained this to any great extent that I ever caught on to. There was one episode about it that I remember with the first. Though in that episode I think even Buffy said that this evil thing is taking credit for bringing him back but they have no reason to believe it. The first didn't even explain why it would have brought him back. Also in that episode I thought the first was trying to get Angel to kill himself the whole time. Why bring someone back just to have them kill themself?
For such a major plot point you'd think they would have taken some time to explain what really happened and why. Did I miss something? Was there more explination in a commentary or Joss interview or a comic? anything?
Insight would be appreciated.
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i believe they did explain it somewhat...about the 'Champion Eternal' -in the scrolls Wolfram and Hart were always talking of those... and redemption, the Oracles spoke of that, too...i just thought it was a cool way to re-introduce Angel back into the series.
"Haven't you killed me enough for one day ?"
- Mal, War Stories
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The First didn't try and get Angel to kill himself.
The First tormented and tortured Angel with visions of his past, and tried to convice him to "take" and kill Buffy so he'd revert to Angelus. To keep from succumbing to the First's torture, Angel decided to try and kill himself. The First figured that this was just as good, because at least it wouldn't have Angel mucking up it's plans.
Anyway, in season 4 they said that Angel's return was entirely to help bring about Jasmine.
But I think that's BS, personally.
Simon: You...you came for us.
Mal: You're on my crew.
Simon: Right. I guess I just didn't...you don't even like me.
Mal: You're on my crew. Why we still talking about this?
-Safe
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I'm currently reading
Reading the Vampire Slayer
An Unofficial Critical Companion to Buffy and Angel
edited by Roz Kaveney
and they hold that it was never fully explained:
whether Angel's return from Hell was triggered by Buffy's return to the place of his death
dropping the ring on the floor
or whether it was just TPTB messing with them...
certainly it made a good device for the writers,
that the moment Buffy was ready to bury the past
and try to move on...
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There were a few explanations given in BtVS and AtS. Nothing concrete, though, so it may well be explained a different way in the future (which I like).
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Well that's just annoying. It's alway irked me that they couldn't give us a reason for his return. It's almost like they killed him one season because it would be big and dramatic but then they brought him back cause "well you can't kill Angel he's too important". Gotta present a better reason than that.
Would everyone have accepted it if Season 6 of Buffy started with Buffy falling out of thin air and all the characters just accepting it and moving on from there?
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It was strongly suggested many times that the TPB had brought him back.
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Because it snows at the end of Amends to prevent Angel from killing himself that implies that TPTB brought him back and wanted to keep him there - presumably because they wanted him on their side in the End of Days, and not that long later they sent Doyle to help him.
I think it's probably one of those things Joss left not quite explained (like the Cheeseman) because he thought the crazy theories the fans came up with were great (and occasionally very funny)
Plus it's quite cool for them to have it like that because we don't know why Angel's really here and it amkes it really clear to teh audience that Angel doesn't know either - it kind of adds to his whole confusion about what his purpose is, and when people offer solutions, they all make sense to him and he believes them easily just to have an answer to this question... until it becomes obvious they're just using him - like Jasmine and the First did.
Anyway, that's just what I like to think...
Did anyone else think it was odd that having had all that initial interest in Angel that never reappeared in season seven of Buffy? I mean obviously it would have been impractical because DB couldn't really come over and shoot scenes... but it would have been nice to have the links back to the first appearance of The First.
That's completely off topic, sorry.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Weasy:
it would have been nice to have the links back to the first appearance of The First.
That's completely off topic, sorry.
I really agree, I was disappointed that there wasn't at least a little more discussion about the First's first appearance...
and to get even further OT
I was disappointed that when Nina showed up on Ats that they didn't discuss Oz, you would think that the fact that Angel already knew a werewolf,
and one who had learned to control it,
would have been relevant....
JMPO
Anway, I agree w/you orginal point (to get back OT)
I love that Joss doesn't explain everything in detail
I love having somethings left to our imaginations
or for future shows (hopefully) to explain
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