Autotuned/Pitch Corrected, or not Autotuned/Pitch Corrected?
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Thursday, October 12, 2023 22:49
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Gotye - Somebody That I Used To Know (featuring Kimbra)
I'd prefer to hear what you think before you Google it, but feel free to do so if you feel the need before you answer. I'm pretty sure you're not going to find the right answer, but you'll find a whole lot of wrong ones.
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Ooooooh.....
A great Isolated Vocals version.
Maybe that helps?
ETA: Man... that silence midway through is so eerie. But the vocal blast afterward gave me chills.
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This is not really Auto-tune there are enough real voice or human voice and the real issue today is people expect that electro sound, the people reject stuff that is not pitched. A problem today is people are so used to electronic pitch that a guy like Bob Dylan voice would fail.
I am not against electronic sound because it can be used well but today they would even want to process Donna Summer's Disco sound until her voice sounded even more like a weird machine
Auto-Tune is worse than Karaoke because at least Karaoke allowed people to have fun even if they were out of tune. I think it was Exxon, The 'Oil Industry' gave AutoTune, the invention that went from searching for echos down a drilling pipe searching for oil then changed to tuning voices they would isolate sound, looking for an echo splash of black liquid, find the sound in such a way is pretty remarkable in and of itself and then amplify it or change its pitch even jumping Octaves, but sounding totally processed and mechanical and fake.
if you want to hear real listen to older stuff before the 80s maybe 70s and older
a lot of oldies the older generation of singers were kind of out of tune or their voice a bit honked or dry or raspy or whatever, they were maybe even out of time. I read comments that 'Bob Dylan would not make it on today's talent shows, 'Dylan would fail on X Factor' and yes from the natural classical perspective and 'Opera', yes, his voice is at times awful but it has a job, it gets the song done and it is real.
Maybe all the top 10 hits today are digital Auto Tune and Pitch Corrected because Auto-Tune IS EVERYWHERE....Some of the Auto-Tuned Obama song or Trump songs were funny. People do sing together and voice can be doubled without Auto-Tune for example to give that slightly group, barber shop. church, A cappella music type sound a performance by a room of singers or a singing group but layering your tracks on top of each other is not true Auto Tune, the real weird nasty Auto-Tune sounds like a forced electronic artificial pitch correction to have them forced into a chord, on the beat, in time, in tune...but it sounds robotic and fake. In the past if you were trained and you had a natural voice and you were kind of happy with your range and mostly stayed within your range or natural ability Mezzo-soprano, Baritone, Contralto, Bass, Tenor, Countertenor..whatever that natural voice was, if you could not hit a note they instrumentalist would change the key of the song and make it easier on your voice.
Is there going back...I think yes, people who finally notice it perhaps will want that human sound.
Once you hear it maybe there will be no going back.
As you get sick of music You have 2 other problems today everyone today uses the same 2 Chords or maybe as much as 4 Chords, everyone the same Drum Machine beats, the same bass line loops.
What you hear in this song is truly Not Auto Tune, not full Pitch Correction the real Auto Tuning I know worse. Its not really a true Auto-Tune in the song, there is voice layering, it is processed and there are Fx and Reverb, I think sometimes the voice are double and triple layered like the Beatles used to do in the old days the Tape Effect double and doubling again, putting tracks next to each other on the one line but the recording was limited and it took real skill to plan and know what you were doing with cutting tape and you could destroy some person's solo with scissors cuts, but at times the Beatles did wacky stuff George Martin tape recordings chopping the tape with scissors, throwing the pieces up into the air, and reassembling at random.The voice in the above song is at times artificial but this Song you posted it is not true Auto-Tune...real Auto Tune going mainstream maybe starts with 'Cher' sound, people did it before her but she went mainstream with it and it was so over the top. 'Believe' I think was the song Joss even mocked it, I didn't watch Buffy but I remember a Buffy episode she Shows Kathy How to Behave I think
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What you hear in this song is truly Not Auto Tune, not full Pitch Correction the real Auto Tuning I know worse. Its not really a true Auto-Tune in the song, there is voice layering, it is processed and there are Fx and Reverb, I think sometimes the voice are double and triple layered like the Beatles used to do in the old days the Tape Effect double and doubling again, putting tracks next to each other on the one line but the recording was limited and it took real skill to plan and know what you were doing with cutting tape and you could destroy some person's solo with scissors cuts, but at times the Beatles did wacky stuff George Martin tape recordings chopping the tape with scissors, throwing the pieces up into the air, and reassembling at random.The voice in the above song is at times artificial but this Song you posted it is not true Auto-Tune...real Auto Tune going mainstream maybe starts with 'Cher' sound, people did it before her but she went mainstream with it and it was so over the top. 'Believe' I think was the song Joss even mocked it, I didn't watch Buffy but I remember a Buffy episode she Shows Kathy How to Behave I think Kathy was a demon or something, manipulating and lures Buffy's friends and got addicted to the song and was jumping around like a crazy woman on stimulants.
That's an interesting answer.
Most people don't answer correctly to this question because they don't know what Autotune actually is or even how to spot it anymore. I certainly didn't until I watched a pretty awesome video last night. You're not wrong when you say Cher's "Believe" is a great example of Autotune, but that's an EXTREME example of using Autotune for an effect. (And yes, I hate that effect as well and it's used FAR too often in music today). But that's not what Autotune and Pitch Correction really are. And they've both been used a lot longer in the industry than you probably think.
You aren't wrong about the voice layering though. I don't know how easy that part is to pick up without isolated vocals and the music playing, but you can hear it clear as day in the 2nd video I posted. At times when he's layering his own voice for effect, he even layers her voice into those lyrics as well, although it's a bit subtle and used sparingly.
I don't want to say any more than that right now in case anybody else wants to try to answer the question about this specific song.
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How about this one Jaynez? (Or anybody else)
Was his voice Autotuned or Pitch Corrected in this live performance?
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I recognize Disturbed heavy rock metal group from Chicago I know them straight away even though I'm out of the scene most weeks and I have not listen to rock genre or Metal for a while I don't need to listen to the vid to know its great but I admit never really listened to them much, I know the guy leading is an incredible vocalist. I probably don't even need to listen to that track to know its pure music and pure talent
There might be some backing music in some of their shows but I doubt it is ever needed as its pure skills and crafted 'magic' and a group of talented guys who know their craft
still I would respect originals respect 'Simon and Garfunkel' more because of principle, creativity and originality gets huge marks in my books even if some other person comes along and sings it better I will always credit an original if I know it
Anyways Six I always thought you had a music ear even during your crazy years of drunk posting? AND with the name SixString whatever that chosen name means, I thought Banjo, Guitar, Electric Bass, Ukulele...
anyways its not to late for you to learn to be an audio engineer
You have a creative math side but to deal with pop people you need patience and diplomacy which you do not seem to have of late.
but to clear up on the first video
I think they perhaps Auto-Tuned no more than 10 words in Somebody I used to Know Gotyev if they did 'Auto Tune' it is very well disguised within layer of male and female vocal and the Audio Engineer for 'Gotye' did a great job covering up any pitch correction or auto tune...but its easy to confuse Auto-Tune with other Musical Audio Engineer Fx.
As you said 'Cher' is the most extreme example of the ridiculous
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Thanks for the vid, had a nice listen and David Draiman, the man is a legendary showman, savage work ethics and great stage performer. If I have a few free days Might have a beer or chill out with old friends the weekend, talk about Tunes or Metal Vocalists or something, he was a big fan of classic Rock and Metal, a time when people knew how to sing, learned their skill and might have even auditioned for an Opera role, I feel we are a low point at times but then you see new talent a you know maybe some day the best... is yet...to comeTony Bennett. Now how would you make Tony Bennet, Frank Sinatra tunes Heavy and Rockin' is it the change of note in scale or baseline or 'beat'?
Anyways as negative as this sounds, I credit Simon n Garfunkle for writing and performing the original
in your opinionhow silly is electro 'music'
Many years ago I would hear a sound track for an old scifi show 'the Lexx'...maybe artificial but an element of genius
'The Escape'
Choir would simply be made on keyboard or software
and before the Auto-Tune era? some hit those notes, some wrote songs, there might have been a few takes to get it right
Kate Bush the range and talent of dramatic soprano, "Wuthering Heights" based on the book of Romanticism and Gothic fiction, mental and physical cruelty, domestic abuse maybe a horror story of sorts, locals have seen the ghosts.
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For a while I agreed with Pirate News on Monarchy and British globalists and Prince Andrew...then I almost forgave them
a name called Mark Knopfler came along
There was a time I did not want to play like one member of a band but copy the entire band, bass, vocal, drum my ears would listen I demanded to know ALL PARTS
Faith No More
Closer - Ashes to Ashes
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Are they playing a... Swingin' Six String
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that SixString name
maybe youre a bit of Jaco a Funk Bass Player?
no vocal no Auto-Tune
For a while he worked with "Joni" Mitchell
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