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Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics, meanwhile the USA and IMF is helping kill Venezuela

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:44 AM

But it's OK when the USA does it.

Venezuela.

More later.

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 5:35 PM

Yeah, we're all dying to hear what a Russian troll has to say about it.

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:14 PM

I can't post videos here anymore.

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:21 PM

Oh, pobrecito!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:00 PM

So, let's go back to Venezuela's 2018 election, which Nicolas Maduro won by 67.7% compared to the nearest opposition candidate, Henri Falcon, who gained only 21.2% of the vote, 11% to Javier Bertucci. These were widely reported figures, they can be found anywhere but here is a link to DW/ Die Welt/ The World
https://www.dw.com/en/nicolas-maduro-wins-venezuela-presidential-elect
ion/a-43864318


And another link
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela
/article211552034.html


There were a number of objections to the election process revolving around several things:

1) The timing of the election, which was moved from December 2018 to April 2018, and then to May 2018

2) The fact that opposition parties, which had boycotted the municipal elections in 2017, were banned from the 2018 Presidential election, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/11/venezuela-president-madu
ro-threatens-to-ban-rivals-from-future-elections
. This led to a low turnout, which was roughly 46% of eligible voters. This was most likely due to the opposition's decision to boycott the election, which turned out to be a serious tactical mistake, leaving the field open for Maduro.

3) "Irregularities"

TIMING
I'm not going to discuss the timing of the election, but since people were agitating for a referendum in 2017, it seems to me like "the sooner, the better" would be the preferred schedule. If anyone wants to dispute that, feel free.


BANNING/BOYCOTTING/LOW TURNOUT
Now, the opposition parties that were banned were Justice First, Popular Will and Democratic Action.

Justice First was at the time headed by Henrique Capriles. It has a history of sometimes boycotting and sometimes contesting various elections. Justice First candidates ran for Assembly in 2000 and won five seats, boycotted 2005 Assembly elections, ran for President in 2006 but the candidate bailed at the last minute, ran for Assembly in 2010 and gained six members in a 165-seat body, boycotted the municipal elections in 2017, and was banned from/boycotted the 2018 Presidential elections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_First

Popular Will was founded by, and is headed by Leopoldo Lopez. It held 14 seats in the Assembly, but I haven't been able to find any recent data on its popularity. (WIKI)

In 2015 (?) Democratic Action won 26 seats in the Assembly, but I haven't been able to find anything on their recent popularity. (WIKI)

This left Henri Falcon, who decided to run last-minute as opposition in the 2018 Presidential elections after previously vowing to boycott. Unfortunately for "the opposition", they couldn't unify around the remaining major opposition candidate.

Clearly, there has been a lot of political maneuvering by both the government and the opposition in Venezuela (especially with the formation of the Constituent Assembly by the Maduro government in 2017, a legislative rival to the National Assembly and made up of Maduro supporters) but boycotting elections has not been a winning tactic for the opposition. IF they had committed to running in the mayoral and Presidential elections, they might have has as much success - or more- as the opposition (in general) had in the Assembly as the Democratic Unity Roundtable, where they gained a collective supermajority in 2105 (and subsequently fell apart later). https://en.wikiyy.com/wiki/Democratic_Unity_Roundtable

ELECTION PROCESS/"IRREGULARITIES"

As far as the election process itself, these international observers describe the process as the strong and secure




And this observer believes it was free and fair



After-the-fact complaints about "dirty tricks" and "ballot-stuffing" by the opposition are framed in western press as "alleged" ... but, of course, they're constantly repeated.

Maduro re-elected as Venezuela's Prez amid boycott, alleged irregul

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:20 PM

More later. Much later, I'll be busy.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:23 PM

Except this, which I found interesting




So far, REAVERBOT, I haven't had problems posting videos.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Friday, January 25, 2019 12:04 AM

Trump wants his coup. He needs a distraction from his multiple massive failures as an incompetent Putin tool.

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Friday, January 25, 2019 12:07 AM

Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics
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Agreed...


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THG
Friday, January 25, 2019 1:49 AM

Ukrainian court sentences ex-president Yanukovich to 13 years in prison

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-yanukovich-idUSKCN1P
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