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Russia moves for a second invasion of Ukraine

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Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:16 PM

http://radiolemberg.com/ua-articles/ua-allarticles/almost-100-000-russ
ian-troops-poised-for-offensive-against-ukraine


What with Trump sitting with his thumb up his ass seems like a good time for Vlad to make another tiny chess move.

Michael MacKay, Radio Lemberg, 02.01.2019

What is certain is that the Russian Federation is ready to launch an offensive against Ukraine and Putin will “pull the trigger” on a massive invasion if he believes other Western democracies will not come to the defence of Ukraine.

Ukraine’s 30-day state of martial law has ended but the threat of a military offensive by the Russian Federation hasn’t. By the start of 2019, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have increased troops levels near the borders and “lines of control” of Ukraine to nearly 100,000. These Russian soldiers are not for defence but poised to attack Ukraine.

The press service of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine reports that 28 Russian army battalion-scale tactical groups are now in the Russian Federation near the international border with Ukraine and also on Ukraine’s territory of Crimea which is temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation. The total number of service members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in these areas is estimated to be around 53,000.

The Russian Federation’s invasion-occupation force in Donbas in eastern Ukraine is made up of Russian regular troops, mercenaries, contract soldiers from private military companies, and local auxiliaries. Ukrainian military intelligence estimates as many as 45,000 combatants loyal to the Russian Federation are in Donbas, with about 11,000 of that number made up of Russian regular troops. There are known to be over 1,000 military vehicles in the Russian occupied zone of Donbas, amongst which are more tanks than Germany, France and the United Kingdom combined possess.

Ukrainian Defence Minister Stepan Poltorak presented the information that the Russian Federation has deployed a powerful military force adjacent to Ukrainian international borders and Ukrainian administrative boundaries with Crimea and part of Donbas. It is Minister Poltarak’s belief that this is a sign that the Russian Federation in not giving up on its attempts to seize all of Ukraine.

Russian forces attacked three Ukrainian Navy vessels on 25 November 2018. The Russians rammed the boats as they were attempting a peaceful and normal passage from Odesa, Ukraine to Mariupol, Ukraine through the Kerch Strait. The Russian Federation committed this act of war without warning and for no reason. The three Ukrainian Navy boats were pirated by the Russians, and 24 Ukrainian Navy sailors were taken hostage.

After this open act of war, Ukraine adopted a war state legal regime in 10 oblasts (regions) adjacent to the Russian aggressors, to last for a 30-day period. Martial law allowed Ukraine to carry out a partial mobilization, test its readiness to face a wider war, and take measures to deter the anticipated Russian offensive.

The 30-day period of the war state legal framework has expired, martial law has ended, and no Russian offensive has taken place. But the danger from the Russian aggressor remains. Kremlin anti-Ukrainian hate propaganda has reached a frenzied level not seen since the 2014-15 peak of fighting in the initial Russian invasion of Ukraine. Fake news like predicting a “Ukrainian chemical attack” is spread by Kremlin information warriors and amplified by social media and inattentive Western news media. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are staging large numbers of troops and equipment suitable for offensive close to the borders of Ukraine.

53,000 Russian soldiers are near the Ukraine-Russian Federation border and in Crimea, Ukraine (Russian-occupied) ready to launch an offensive. As many as 45,000 more are in Donbas, Ukraine (Russian-occupied) along with a formidable tank army. The Russians will try to make a “provocation” out of any event to spark a large military offensive against Ukraine whose objective will be to annihila

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Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:52 PM

File this under "not my problem".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
File this under "not my problem".

You picked Trump, so it is your problem. Expect your man to handle your problem: Is Russia about to invade Ukraine again? That may depend on Trump.

It has been five weeks since Russia assaulted Ukrainian Navy ships that were passing through international waters near the occupied Crimean Peninsula. Though the world’s attention has moved on, Russian forces have not: On the contrary, they are massed near Crimea’s border with eastern Ukraine, prompting warnings from the Ukrainian government as well as independent observers that the regime of Russian President Vladi­mir Putin may be planning a new attack on the country. Rather than await the Russians’ next move, the Trump administration should be working with allies to actively deter further aggression.

It could well be that Mr. Putin can accomplish his aims simply by raising the level of tension and by showing he can strangle Ukrainian ports with impunity. But whatever his intentions, the United States and its NATO allies should be acting to punish Mr. Putin for his coast guard’s actions in the Kerch Strait and to deter an escalation. There are a number of steps that could be taken, BY MR. TRUMP, ranging from dispatching warships to the Black Sea, with a stop in the Ukrainian port of Odessa, to stationing NATO or European Union observers in eastern Ukraine. There have, as yet, been no sanctions against Russia specifically linked to its seizure of the Kerch Strait; there should be.

Mr. Trump still aspires to friendly relations with Mr. Putin. That won’t be possible if the Russian ruler initiates more aggression against Ukraine or other neighbors. It is consequently in Mr. Trump’s interest to make clear to Moscow that any further attacks will trigger a strong response from the United States.

More at www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/is-russia-about-to-inv
ade-ukraine-again-that-may-depend-on-trump/2018/12/30/7cc5fd42-0ad8-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Friday, January 4, 2019 1:54 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
File this under "not my problem".

You picked Trump, so it is your problem. Expect your man to handle your problem: Is Russia about to invade Ukraine again? That may depend on Trump.

It has been five weeks since Russia assaulted Ukrainian Navy ships that were passing through international waters near the occupied Crimean Peninsula. Though the world’s attention has moved on, Russian forces have not: On the contrary, they are massed near Crimea’s border with eastern Ukraine, prompting warnings from the Ukrainian government as well as independent observers that the regime of Russian President Vladi­mir Putin may be planning a new attack on the country. Rather than await the Russians’ next move, the Trump administration should be working with allies to actively deter further aggression.

It could well be that Mr. Putin can accomplish his aims simply by raising the level of tension and by showing he can strangle Ukrainian ports with impunity. But whatever his intentions, the United States and its NATO allies should be acting to punish Mr. Putin for his coast guard’s actions in the Kerch Strait and to deter an escalation. There are a number of steps that could be taken, BY MR. TRUMP, ranging from dispatching warships to the Black Sea, with a stop in the Ukrainian port of Odessa, to stationing NATO or European Union observers in eastern Ukraine. There have, as yet, been no sanctions against Russia specifically linked to its seizure of the Kerch Strait; there should be.

Mr. Trump still aspires to friendly relations with Mr. Putin. That won’t be possible if the Russian ruler initiates more aggression against Ukraine or other neighbors. It is consequently in Mr. Trump’s interest to make clear to Moscow that any further attacks will trigger a strong response from the United States.

More at www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/is-russia-about-to-inv
ade-ukraine-again-that-may-depend-on-trump/2018/12/30/7cc5fd42-0ad8-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Stupid people can't or won't embrace the whole picture second, and jack is stupid people. A good amount of the Trumpets are. Hey, are we officially calling jack snowflake now?

T


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Friday, January 4, 2019 2:38 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

Stupid people can't or won't embrace the whole picture second, and jack is stupid people. A good amount of the Trumpets are. Hey, are we officially calling jack snowflake now?

Maybe I was bad to call him a name. But I’ve seen a strong connection between a person’s politics and their lives. There are the apathetic Democrats who show up once every 4 to 8 to 12 years to vote because they weren’t aware there was an election. Or they were busy. Or "their vote doesn't count." They are similarly apathetic and disorganized in their lives, at work, with their family.

Then there are the Trump voters. I just now checked on one. Not going so well. He wasn’t careful about voting for a crook. Not surprising because he is also a crook:
www.harriscountyso.org/JailInfo/HCSO_FindSomeoneInJail.aspx
CHARGE THEFT >=2,500 <30,000
COURT 176 COURT DATE 01/29/2019

Then there are the famous Republicans:
"The Ugly Nihilism of Jerry Falwell Jr.’s Comments About Why It Doesn’t Matter if Trump Is Immoral"
https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/01/jerry-falwell-jr-trump-interv
iew.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, January 4, 2019 6:10 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
File this under "not my problem".

You picked Trump, so it is your problem. Expect your man to handle your problem: Is Russia about to invade Ukraine again? That may depend on Trump.



Ukraine is not my problem. It wouldn't be my problem if Hillary were president either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 4, 2019 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
File this under "not my problem".

You picked Trump, so it is your problem. Expect your man to handle your problem: Is Russia about to invade Ukraine again? That may depend on Trump.



Ukraine is not my problem. It wouldn't be my problem if Hillary were president either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That is the Trump slogan "America First". He, or maybe even you, is only interested in the countries that have attracted his whimsical interest. For Trump, North Korea and Iran did that for a while and will again, until another shiny object gets his attention. (He is a distracted cat chasing a laser pointer.)



I quoted about how American foreign policy doesn't work well in the outside world because of the odd thinking going on inside the foreign policy establishment: Chapter 4. "Selling A Failing Foreign Policy" from The Hell of Good Intentions: America's Foreign Policy Elite and the Decline of U.S. Primacy, 2018
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&mid=10673
69#1067369


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, January 4, 2019 6:22 PM

Anybody remember the days when the Democrats were the party that was against war?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 4, 2019 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody remember the days when the Democrats were the party that was against war?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yes, back when George McGovern was the Presidential candidate and the Vietnam War was still running, but that tore the Democratic party in two. Why? Because your average American who has not gone to war (or the average soldier who did go to war but never saw anyone they killed up-close and real personal) wants war, they just don't want to personally go to war. That is why those average Americans don't seem to mind that Congress has not voted a declaration of war since 1942. That's why America built tens of thousands of H-bombs when a thousand would have been more than enough. Trump is building more, because you can't have too many shiny H-bombs. Average Americans are excited by the idea of killing, if they don't have to be there close enough to be splashed by blood when it happens. Politicians from both parties are well aware of how average Americans react to War. Come to think of it, War is like meat. More people would be anti-war vegetarians if they had to kill and butcher all their food and all their enemies.

The Trump Administration’s push for more nuclear weapons is part of a perilous global drive to miniaturize and modernize devices that already promise annihilation.
www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-growing-dangers-of-the-new-nuclea
r-arms-race


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, January 4, 2019 6:51 PM

So what you're saying is that the Democratic party sold out?

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