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TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!

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Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:45 AM

Fuck it! I'm here, why not!? There's word that he once was a cross-dresser and pulled the wings of butterflies; drowned puppies and molested little girls in Southern Ohio.

Benghazi was his idea (he really wanted that oil) and he once Instagrammed a pic of
him and Qaddaffi ball slapping each other. Marla Maples was really a guy who blackmailed The Donald. And he wears an SS uniform while dancing to the music of
the Dusseldorf Five; with a black Hitler mustache thong.

Hey this made up shit is FUN!

One more time, Benghazi was his idea. Damn!, that feels good. Now I know why you
guys use it against Hilary, so much fun!


SGG

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Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:17 PM

SHINY, whatever point you're trying to make is muddled by your attempt at humor/sarcasm. You'll have to try again.

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Monday, May 23, 2016 5:39 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You'll have to try again.

Donald Trump Kept Hitler Speeches By His Bed.
http://forward.com/the-assimilator/318664/trump-and-hitler/

In honor of The Donald’s candidacy for the Republican nomination, Vanity Fair has re-published a 1990 profile of Donald Trump, written by Marie Brenner. Remember, this was back before his hair (can we even call it that?) was fodder for every comic ever. Instead, they had to settle for his blatant sexism, racism, and overinflated ego.

According to the piece, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that Trump often re-read “My New Order,” a collection of Adolf Hitler’s speeches from 1918-1939. What’s more, Trump allegedly kept the book in a cabinet by his bed.

When Brenner asked about the book, Trump said, “Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.”

Later, Trump said, “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

The best part? While Davis acknowledged being Trump’s friend, and giving him a copy of “My New Order” (not “Mein Kampf” as Trump claimed), he isn’t even Jewish.

Donald Trump’s aides recently made headlines for comparing Obama to Hitler on Facebook and inserting Nazi SS uniforms into a promotional Twitter image.

Here’s the full excerpt, per Vanity Fair:
www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/donald-trump-marie-brenner-ivana-divor
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Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

“Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 23, 2016 7:35 PM

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Politics is history in the making. History itself is the presentation of the course of a Folk's struggle for existence. I deliberately use the phrase struggle for existence here because, in truth, that struggle for daily bread, equally in peace and war, is an eternal battle against thousands upon thousands of resistances, just as life itself is an eternal struggle against death. For men know as little why they live as does any other creature of the world. Only life is filled with the longing to preserve itself. The most primitive creature knows only the instinct of the self preservation of its own, in creatures standing higher in the scale it is transferred to wife and child, and in those standing still higher to the entire species. While, apparently, man often surrenders his own instinct of self preservation for the sake of the species, in truth he nevertheless serves it to the highest degree. For not seldom the preservation of the life of a whole Folk, and with this of the individual, lies only in this renunciation by the individual. Hence the sudden courage of a mother in the defence of her young and the heroism of a man in the defence of his Folk. The two powerful life instincts, hunger and love, correspond to the greatness of the instinct for self preservation. While the appeasement of eternal hunger guarantees self preservation, the satisfaction of love assures the continuance of the race. In truth these two drives are the rulers of life. And even though the fleshless aesthete may lodge a thousand protests against such an assertion, the fact of his own existence is already a refutation of his protest. Nothing that is made of flesh and blood can escape the laws which determined its coming into being. As soon as the human mind believes itself to be superior to them, it destroys that real substance which is the bearer of the mind.


My Order- Adolph Hitler

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To me Vienna, the city which, to so many, is the epitome of innocent pleasure, a festive playground for merrymakers, represents, I am sorry to say, merely the living memory of the saddest period of my life.

Even today this city can arouse in me nothing but the most dismal thoughts. For me the name of this Phaeacian city I represents five years of hardship and misery. Five years in which was forced to earn a living, first as a day laborer, then as a small painter; a truly meager living which never sufficed to appease even my daily hunger. Hunger was then my faithful bodyguard; he never left me for a moment and partook of all I had, share and share alike. Every book I acquired aroused his interest; a visit to the Opera prompted his attentions for days at a time; my life was a continuous struggle with this pitiless friend. And yet during this time I studied as never before. Aside from my architecture and my rare visits to the Opera, paid-for in hunger, I had but one pleasure: my books.


Mein Kampf- Adolph Hitler

One of the interesting things that I heard in that extended video of the Left Forum, in which Chris Hedges speaks, was Hedges' decrying of the flabby left (my words) In essence, what he said was that

if the right wing becomes powerful, it's because the left has offered no alternative to people who are suffering.

https://www.rt.com/usa/343942-left-forum-day-two/ (Hedges starting at about 38 minutes)

Too true. I know somebody who knew somebody who lived in Weimar Germany as a boy and young man. (He is dead now, passed away a decade ago.) Some people, including this person and his family, were starving. They literally boiled shoes and ate them to appease their hunger.

What do liberals offer to that?

Nothing. They vote for Hillary, who was one of the supporters of gutting welfare as we know it.

Trump knows, as Hillary can't afford to know, that the economic recovery is a mirage and that jobs have been exported overseas or given to illegals at home. Now whether Trump will actually do anything about it is an open question, but Hillary will certainly opt for More Of The Same.

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Monday, May 23, 2016 11:12 PM

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"What do liberals offer to that"?


Not "to whom".

"That": kind of situation, that kind of problem. Not person. That person was an example of a problem.

To answer the question more fully, liberals "feel sorry" for the dispossessed. Sometimes they institute charity, or they allow mass migration into their nations, or - in a fit of mutated logic- they can be induced into bombing people to smithereens with the idea that this somehow "protects" the victims.

Seldom do liberals ask WHY and HOW people have become dispossessed in the first place. If they did, they might have to challenge the powerful.

"Pity would be no more if we did not MAKE men poor"


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Monday, May 23, 2016 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I know somebody who knew somebody who lived in Weimar Germany as a boy and young man. Some people, including this person and his family, were starving. They literally boiled shoes and ate them to appease their hunger.

What do liberals offer to that?

Nothing!

Trump knows, as Hillary can't afford to know, that the economic recovery is a mirage!

Cranky today, aren't you? Look what Trump has to offer. Do I need to mention that Trump has a secret plan to defeat ISIS? He can't share it right now. You'll have to wait until after he is elected. If you don't elect him, he won't be able to let the Pentagon know any of his carefully worked out details.

https://twitter.com/RabidParrots/status/672034951399792641


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 23, 2016 11:48 PM

So SECOND, in reply you offer a unflattering picture and a made-up video? You've descended to THUGR-levels, who offers "raspberry wars" in lieu of a relevant reply.

You're normally lucid and on-target. So, are you one of those Hillary-voters who can't explain their vote?

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Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So SECOND, in reply you offer a unflattering picture and a made-up video? You've descended to THUGR-levels, who offers "raspberry wars" in lieu of a relevant reply.

You're normally lucid and on-target. So, are you one of those Hillary-voters who can't explain their vote?


I'll just pick editorial that was published today in the Houston Chronicle. But you could have looked around too, if you would just bother yourself a little bit and try rather than quote empty nonsense. You wrote:
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One of the interesting things that I heard in that extended video of the Left Forum, in which Chris Hedges speaks, was Hedges' decrying of the flabby left (my words) In essence, what he said was that

if the right wing becomes powerful, it's because the left has offered no alternative to people who are suffering.

You Are Wrong, signym.

Assessing Obama’s war on inequality
www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Krugman-Assessing-Oba
ma-s-war-on-inequality-7938947.php


Paul Krugman says president’s new rules on OT pay will do more than most people realize to fight income imbalance.

There were two big economic policy stories this week that you may have missed if you were distracted by Trumpian bombast and the yelling of the Sanders dead-enders. Each tells you a lot about both what President Barack Obama has accomplished and the stakes in this year’s election.

One of those stories, I’m sorry to say, did involve Donald Trump: The presumptive Republican nominee — who has already declared that he will, in fact, slash taxes on the rich, whatever he may have said in the recent past — once again declared his intention to do away with Dodd-Frank, the financial reform passed during Democrats’ brief window of congressional control. Just for the record, while Trump is sometimes described as a “populist,” almost every substantive policy he has announced would make the rich richer at workers’ expense.

The other story was about a policy change achieved through executive action: The Obama administration issued new guidelines on overtime pay, which will benefit an estimated 12.5 million workers.

What both stories tell us is that the Obama administration has done much more than most people realize to fight extreme economic inequality. That fight will continue if Hillary Clinton wins the election; it will go into sharp reverse if Trump wins.

Step back for a minute and ask, what can policy do to limit inequality? The answer is, it can operate on two fronts. It can engage in redistribution, taxing high incomes and aiding families with lower incomes . It can also engage in what is sometimes called “predistribution,” strengthening the bargaining power of lower-paid workers and limiting the opportunities for a handful of people to make giant sums. In practice, governments that succeed in limiting inequality generally do both.

We can see this in our own history. The middle-class society that baby boomers like me grew up in didn’t happen by accident; it was created by the New Deal, which engineered what economists call the “Great Compression,” a sharp reduction in income gaps. On one side, pro-labor policies led to a striking expansion of unions, which, along with the establishment of a fairly high minimum wage, helped raise wages, especially at the bottom. On the other side, taxes on the wealthy went up sharply, while major programs like Social Security aided working families.

We can also see this in cross-country comparisons. Among advanced countries, the U.S. has the highest level of inequality, Denmark the lowest. How does Denmark do it? Partly with higher taxes and bigger social programs, but it starts with lower inequality in market incomes, thanks in large part to high minimum wages and a labor movement representing two-thirds of workers.

Now, America isn’t about to become Denmark, and Obama, facing relentless opposition in Congress, has never been in a position to repeat the New Deal. But more has

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Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:58 AM

second

I just wanted to point out an error - the top marginal income tax went up from 25% to 62% (37% absolute or 250% relative) BEFORE 1933 and the New Deal. FDR then raised it again after 1933 from 62% to ~92% (30% absolute or 150% relative).

But if Hillary is running on Obama's record rather than her own proposed policies, she would be carrying a heavy burden. In fact, a burden of roughly half the democratic party. And btw, that you're calling half the voting democrats with legitimate concerns 'dead-enders' says volumes about you, and by extension, Hillary-lovers in general.

Nothing Obama has done will put more than a modest dent in American inequality. But his actions aren’t trivial, either.

The income inequality gap tells a different story. I don't see that gap narrowing - do you? Maybe you could point it out.



Meanwhile, the labor force participation rate has plummeted during Obama's term. Or perhaps you can point out where it's gone up.



So Obama's actions to help working people? They'd aspire to being merely trivial.

Also, I fully expect you to ignore these inconvenient truths that have put a lie to your false claims, just as you have ignored every other fact that proved you wrong.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:48 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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So Obama's actions to help working people? They'd aspire to being merely trivial.

Also, I fully expect you to ignore these inconvenient truths that have put a lie to your false claims, just as you have ignored every other fact that proved you wrong.

I thought this was about Trump. Am I mistaken?

Nobody but Bernie has any plans to apply the brakes on how fast a person or corporation could increase their wealth. But Bernie, as President, needs Congress to cooperate with his plans. I doubt Congress will.

As for Trump, I disbelieve his plan: www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

Trump is the guy saying the USA has the highest taxes in the world, when that is not true. There is no reason for me to believe Trump believes in his own plan.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/binc-watch-its-sunday-morning-s
o-today-its-meet-press

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