NATO Member Busted Supporting ISIS … Now Declares War Against ISIS, But Instead Bombs Its Political Rival

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SIGNYM

Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:51 PM

Turkey Enabling ISIS

NATO member Turkey has been busted supporting ISIS.

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The Guardian reported this week:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

However, Turkey has openly supported other jihadi groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham, which espouses much of al-Qaida’s ideology, and Jabhat al-Nusra, which is proscribed as a terror organisation by much of the US and Europe. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the western official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”

One Isis member says the organisation remains a long way from establishing a self-sustaining economy across the area of Syria and Iraq it controls. “They need the Turks. I know of a lot of cooperation and it scares me,” he said. “I don’t see how Turkey can attack the organisation too hard. There are shared interests.”

While the Guardian is one of Britain’s leading newspapers, many in the alternative press have long pointed out Turkey’s support for ISIS. And experts, Kurds, and Joe Biden have accuses Turkey of enabling ISIS.

Has Turkey Changed Its Ways?

On Tuesday, Turkey proclaimed that it will now help to fight ISIS.

Don’t buy it …

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – asked yesterday:

What is [Turkish president] Erdogan’s ultimate purpose? He hates Assad. He’d love to bring him down. Is that why he’s doing this?

There’s also the Kurds …

As Time Magazine pointed out in June:

Ethnic Kurds—who on Tuesday scored their second and third significant victories over ISIS in the space of eight days—are by far the most effective force fighting ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

And yet Turkey is trying to destroy the Kurds. Time writes:

Since [Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS] it has arrested more than 1,000 people in Turkey and carried out waves of air raids in neighboring Syria and Iraq. But most of those arrests and air strikes, say Kurdish leaders, have hit Kurdish and left wing groups, not ISIS.

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that.

Hoshang Waziri, a political analyst based in Erbil, sa

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1KIKI

Monday, August 3, 2015 5:32 AM

Without reading it, I'm betting myself this is Turkey, and it's bombing either Kurds of what's left of Assad's military ... Now I'll go check it out.

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SIGNYM

Monday, August 3, 2015 9:20 PM

Obama Authorizes "Defensive" Airstrikes Against Assad Regime In Syria

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On Friday, we checked in on the Pentagon’s ongoing effort to recruit, vet, and train ambitious "freedom fighters" to join the battle against ISIS in Syria.

It goes without saying that covert US efforts to aid the multifarious groups vying for control of the country have met with disastrous consequences so far, but if there’s anything Washington is particularly adept at, it’s making bad foreign policy outcomes worse, which is why we weren’t at all surprised to learn that the commander of the Pentagon's new Syrian "force" was captured, along with his deputy, by al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra last week near the border with Turkey.

The NY Times called the kidnapping "perhaps [the] most embarrassing setback yet," for Washington’s ragtag contingent of volunteer militiamen and indeed, the fact that the Pentagon had hoped to field a "force" of 3,000 men by the end of the year but has so far only managed to train 54 speaks to the futility of the entire effort.

Or perhaps not. It all depends on what the real aim behind the program was in the first place. If the goal was to field a fierce band of well-trained warriors to rout Islamic State, then things aren’t going so well. If, however, the idea was simply to give the US an excuse to get directly involved in facilitating the swift demise of Bashar al-Assad now that his forces have been largely decimated by a three-front war, well it’s mission accomplished, because as WSJ reports, President Obama has now authorized US airstrikes against Assad’s army in the event they interfere with America’s very serious 50 solider effort to combat ISIS. Here’s more:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-03/obama-authorizes-defensive-ai
rstrikes-against-assad-regime-syria

I wonder if our payment (to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and our other "partners" in the Middle East) for reaching detente with Iran involves the destruction of Syria.

Yipee! Another nation down the drain!

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THGRRI

Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:53 AM

If as you say, what Russia does is none of your business, what do you care what Turkey does?

Ya know, kind of hypocritical don't ya think?

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 4, 2015 12:58 AM

Turkey is a NATO member that we support. The US has made what Turkey does 'our' business.

DUH!!

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00 AM

Signy, because Assad is fighting ISIS, in our fight against ISIS we must bomb Assad! Makes all sorts of sense!

(For those who don't get it, this is irony.)

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 4, 2015 5:22 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Turkey Enabling ISIS

NATO member Turkey has been busted supporting ISIS.

Quote:
The Guardian reported this week:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

However, Turkey has openly supported other jihadi groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham, which espouses much of al-Qaida’s ideology, and Jabhat al-Nusra, which is proscribed as a terror organisation by much of the US and Europe. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the western official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”

One Isis member says the organisation remains a long way from establishing a self-sustaining economy across the area of Syria and Iraq it controls. “They need the Turks. I know of a lot of cooperation and it scares me,” he said. “I don’t see how Turkey can attack the organisation too hard. There are shared interests.”

While the Guardian is one of Britain’s leading newspapers, many in the alternative press have long pointed out Turkey’s support for ISIS. And experts, Kurds, and Joe Biden have accuses Turkey of enabling ISIS.

Has Turkey Changed Its Ways?

On Tuesday, Turkey proclaimed that it will now help to fight ISIS.

Don’t buy it …

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – asked yesterday:

What is [Turkish president] Erdogan’s ultimate purpose? He hates Assad. He’d love to bring him down. Is that why he’s doing this?

There’s also the Kurds …

As Time Magazine pointed out in June:

Ethnic Kurds—who on Tuesday scored their second and third significant victories over ISIS in the space of eight days—are by far the most effective force fighting ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

And yet Turkey is trying to destroy the Kurds. Time writes:

Since [Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS] it has arrested more than 1,000 people in Turkey and carried out waves of air raids in neighboring Syria and Iraq. But most of those arrests and air strikes, say Kurdish leaders, have hit Kurdish and left wing groups, not ISIS.

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that.

Hoshang Waziri

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JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:40 AM

Obama's just waiting for the right moment to present ISIL with a big wooden horse.

SIGNYM

Friday, August 7, 2015 8:28 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama's just waiting for the right moment to present ISIL with a big wooden horse.

HAHAHAHA!!!

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SIGNYM

Friday, August 7, 2015 8:51 PM

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From the title I thought you were admitting that Obama was an ISIS supporter. But maybe that has not dawned on you yet.

Actually, I've been saying that all along, in multiple threads and multiple ways!

This, from 2013

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The United States has close relationships with religiously fundamentalist monarchies across the Middle East. These nations are ruled by monarchs who impose Sharia law: United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia , Bahrain, Qatar (dual legal system), and Kuwait.

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The Hanbali school, known for following the most orthodox form of Islam, is embraced in Saudi Arabia and by the Taliban.

http://www.cfr.org/religion/islam-governing-under-sharia/p8034

Not too surprising, Saudi Arabia has used some of it's unimaginable oil wealth to export its religion for the past 40 years (if not more) by building maddrasses in other countries. I recall from my teen years (and that was a long time ago) the fuss that was being made about the many Saudi maddrasses being built in the Horn of Africa, and how the West was simply ceding territory. But that seems not to have been on the minds of TPTB, because they were busy arming the Taliban in Afghanistan. So, at this point, most of the ME is composed of Sunni followers.

Thinking about the nations that we have destabilized or invaded, with the exception of Afghanistan they were all secular: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt. Now, they are hotbeds of al Qaida.

And, just as a curiosity, with all of those al Qaida cells running around, why have they never attacked Israel?.

I've been saying for quite a while that Saudi Arabia and Qatar shipped dozens of planeloads - and several boatloads - of arms into Libya for jihadists, in support of "our" project to destroy Libya, and that the CIA was instrumental in cross-shipping the arms to jihadists in Syria to support our goal of destroying Syria.

But, here's the thing: IT'S NOT JUST OBAMA.

Bush Jr was hip-deep with the more jihadist elements of Saudi Arabia including Bandar ("Bush") bib Sultan, chief of Saudi security, who had the Chechen rebels and al Qaisa in his back pocket, ready to do his bidding.

I don't know why we're so hot to trot to destroy every secular nation in the ME, and give al Qaida (and its offshoots and affiliates) so much room to grow! CLEARLY we intend to destroy Syria, even if it means turning the entire nation over to ISIS, just as we did Libya and Iraq. I mean ... wtf????

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