Meawhile, back in Ukraine: Russia Halts Gas Supplies

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SIGNYM

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:56 PM

Russia Halts Gas Supplies To Ukraine

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The reason for the collapse in talks: Kiev wants to pay $268.5 per 1,000 cubic meters of gas - the price it had been offered when Yanukovich was in power - but, in a compromise last week, said it would agree to pay $326 for an interim period until a lasting deal was reached. Moscow had sought to keep the price at the 2009 contract level of $485 per 1,000 cubic meters, but had offered to waive an export duty, bringing down prices by about one-fifth to $385, which brings it broadly into line with what Russia charges other European countries.

In other words, the delta was less than $60, and certainly a "fair" offer to Ukraine considering it is what Europe pays. However, it wasn't low enough for Kiev, which certainly is out of money once again having to spend the bulk of its IMF/EU aid to keep its military armed, and the only logical outcome - one in which the country would no longer receive something for nothing - transpired.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-16/russia-halts-gas-supplies-ukr
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So I wondered how this fit in with my predictions...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57588&p=2

Well, some of these things are happening out of order, and I missed others completely. For example, I would have never imagined that Kiev would have had such big brassy balls as to hold an election when fighting affected 15% (or more) of the voting population, and then declare a winner. Or for that winner to undertake a military assault on its own people. But the Kiev government would have never done all that with without assurances from the West that all would be well; that Kiev would have political cover and military support.

And I never would have predicted Putin to show such restraint. Seems he was too wily to get sucked into a battle that the west seems to want to provoke... at least, so far.

THGRRI

Monday, June 16, 2014 8:35 PM

I am sure you’ll disagree signym but I don’t think the Ukraine should pay the same as Europe. After all the oil and gas going to Europe gets their through pipelines running through Ukraine. If I were them I would tell Russia to get all those pipelines out of their country if there is nothing in it for them. Funny how you suggest it is the other way around? Its deals like this that made the Ukraine turn to the West in the first place.

I checked out the predictions link. Nope nothing by you that predicted this.

si shen

SIGNYM

Monday, June 16, 2014 8:40 PM

Yes, pipeline carriers usually get a "transit fee" remitted to them. OTOH, the original price was negotiated by Orange-revolutionary Yulia Tymoshenko, and the price under discussion was a huge drop from the original negotiated price. And, since Russia is owed a HUGE amount of money, and they control the gas, they can hold whatever position they like. Which is what they're doing.

There were a number of predictions that I made that didn't happen as I expected, discussion of which which I added to my previous post. I'm not sure if you would consider this gas shutoff to be a counter-sanction in disguise, or not. It sounds to me like you would, since you don't seem to think that Russia is bargaining in good faith.

THGRRI

Monday, June 16, 2014 9:20 PM

Again you are not seeing the whole picture. What about the contract Russia must have had with the Ukraine allowing for its navy to establish basses in Crimea. A beautiful seaport, high priced real estate area. Or did they get that for free also? If Russia can change its deal for oil why can’t Ukraine change its deal also regarding Crimea? After all, I bet they stopped making their payments a while ago and counting.

How it is you think Russia gets to charge Ukraine the same rates for oil as it does Europe, when the only way for the oil to get to Europe is to travel through pipelines that traverse Ukraine. You suggest that because Ukraine owes Russia money Russia gets to stop paying the “transit fee”. How the hell does that work?

I absolutely think Russia is bargaining in bad faith.

si shen

THGRRI

Monday, June 16, 2014 10:40 PM

The problem I have with you is that you are 100% behind Russia in this and always have been, yet do not have the courage to stand by your convictions.

si shen

1KIKI

Monday, June 16, 2014 10:58 PM

If Russia can change its deal for oil ...

It's gas, not oil.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

THGRRI

Monday, June 16, 2014 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If Russia can change its deal for oil ...

It's gas, not oil.

Right on time. If that is all you want to contribute to the discussion why bother?

Maybe that is rude on my part. Thank you for the correction.

si shen

1KIKI

Monday, June 16, 2014 11:16 PM

If I add to the discussion you're going to say I'm tag-teaming with Signy. Now, I happen to be home today. And I know she happens to be at work right now. So despite your snark, she's not going to be replying very soon. And because of it, I refuse to discuss anything of interest with you. Except to point out when you boo-boo. And honey, calling it OIL when everyone who knows even a little knows it's natural gas - well, you just keep your ignorance flag flying high and proud for all to see.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

THGRRI

Monday, June 16, 2014 11:27 PM

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1kiki
If I add to the discussion you're going to say I'm tag-teaming with Signy. Now, I happen to be home today. And I know she happens to be at work right now. So despite your snark, she's not going to be replying very soon. And because of it, I refuse to discuss anything of interest with you. Except to point out when you boo-boo.

You betray yourself suggesting I was right when saying you two are a tag team. Read what you write. Because signym is at work and cannot respond you refuse to join into the conversation. Either that or I was right in another assertion I made and you too are there with her at work and cannot respond? Hmm….

si shen

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:07 AM

straw man
ad hominem
Burden of proof

Just keep racking 'em up, honey!

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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