Moocher society
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For the first time since the Great Depression, households are receiving more income from the government than they are paying the government in taxes. The combination of more cash from various programs, called transfer payments, and lower taxes has been a double-barreled boost to consumers’ buying power, while also blowing a hole in the deficit. The 1930s offer a cautionary tale: The only other time government income support exceeded taxes paid was from 1931 to 1936. That trend reversed in 1936, after a recovery was underway, and the economy fell back into a second leg of recession during 1937 and 1938.
So, this means that voters on the government tit now outnumber the self-supporting voters.
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"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic" - attributed to Benjamin Franklin
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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That's always been one of my favorite quotes. Here it is in its entirety:
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A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
I'd definitely put us in the apathy to dependence category with bondage starting to rear its ugly head. Valerie Jarretts, "We'll be ready to rule from day one." comment is the perfect example.
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Hello,
I think the quote and list you have there don't go together, and I'm not convinced who that quote with the list is attributable to. But anyway, it is food for thought.
The question is, is it true? It feels true. It feels like if people can get something for nothing, they will choose to do so.
But I am faced with a reality around me where people are not rolling in the fruits of the public treasury.
Is it possible that corporations exert more force to vote themselves gifts from the public treasury than individual voters?
Is it possible that governmental organisms like the department of defense exert force from within the system to ensure their own share of gifts in excess of their merits?
In short, might not there be more going on than the simplified, "If people can rob the government blind, they will?"
--Anthony
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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Are you a moocher, or a producer ?
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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It'd be interesting to see the ratio of taxes versus benefits graphed against household income, instead of lumping all households into one group. I'm betting that higher income households receive less benefits and pay more taxes.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
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Gee, "households"...that means all of us, right? So that 1%, or even the top 20%, are making a LOT of money, not all of which is going to taxes, obviously, and as mentioned, probably don't get much government money, since they can pay for their own health care, retirement, food, stuff like that...
For the first time since the Great Depression, households are receiving more income from the government than they are paying the government in taxes.
Let's see, unemployment is government money, isn't it? And isn't taxed, or not very high. So if there are lots and lots and lots of unemployed people, they're not bringing wages into their families and forced to live on unemployment and food stamps. I wonder if that's got anything to do with it?
I think that may sound good, but be just a bit simplistic. I'd like to see ALL the facts. Given there are so many more poor and wages haven't gone up in how long?, I think it's possible this isn't exactly an accurate picture.
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In response to the first post, I defer to Victorique.
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Originally posted by fivver:
That's always been one of my favorite quotes. Here it is in its entirety:Quote:
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
I'd definitely put us in the apathy to dependence category with bondage starting to rear its ugly head. Valerie Jarretts, "We'll be ready to rule from day one." comment is the perfect example.
That cycle is a kinda scary theory, but has a point. History does look like that. I had already gathered that democracy never lasts very long, and tends to end in a disastrous war.
If you look at this, it's clear that mid-early would be the better part of the cycle to be in, and considering that, and looking for it, Islam comes to mind as being 1 or 2, so ahead of us, Iran is probably the best example of 2. Some catholic countries might be higher. Korea could be 4. Who is currently 3?
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Thanks for the link. As always, snopes is full of it, like mythbusters and other agenda-ridden debunkers.
A quick google search reveals the information to be accurate, contrary to snopes opening "Mostly False."
Tytler wrote a book called "Universal history, from the creation of the world to the beginning of the Eighteenth Century." Misprintings and mistakings of names was common at the time, and is the source of the myriad variations on all sorts of common names in the US. This probably in part because many documents were handwritten. That aside, if could have been a typo.
The email actually does not state that Tytler wrote a book called "the Fall of the Athenian Republic" only that he wrote on the subject, which he did. The words also could have an ellipsis after the word dictatorship, since the quotes are not adjacent, but the words are clearly his, and the sentiments expressed represent his views.
Regardless of the 2000 election results, which weren't really at issue here, I'd have to say "Misspelt his name there."
So, without looking it up, what is Joan of Arc's real name?
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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