Worst piece of go-se series either mercifully canceled, or painfully given lots of time for suckage
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 21:03
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Pizmo mentioned Starhunter (both series)... yeah, weren't too good. I blind-bought the first one at the Buymore just because it was only $16- I figured, "How bad could it be?"
REAL bad.
Earth 2- had a solid cast, but it seemed like the writers & producers had never seen or read REAL SF before making it.
The New Battlestar Galactica- started off promising enough... but they had no PLAN!!!
Got any others?
The laughing Chrisisall
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Eye candy DOES NOTHING to make a series halfway decent.
Charmed Sucked.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Looks like Mal, Kaylee, and Zoe.
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Quote:You have to watch a few minutes to see how reaaaaaally bad it it is (there's a short "fan" message at the beginning):
Originally posted by OPPYH:
Looks like Mal, Kaylee, and Zoe.
It'd be a nice fan film, I guess...
The laughing Chrisisall
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Totally agreed on Starhunter. I bought it blind as well, mainly after hearing good things about it here. Barely made it through 2 episodes before I gave the set away.
I love BSG though.
That "no plan" complaint is like "duh". There has been one attempt made at planning a series through to the end from the start, Babylon 5, and even then, due to the realities of production, LOTS of changes had to be made along the way.
Writer Peter David (known for comics, TV and a shitload of Trek novels) has discussed this and pointed out that that's what writers DO - they come up with their basic premise, and then let it evolve from there. To expect them to know exactly where things are going is fool-hearty.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Almost everything about BSG was top-shelf.
Originally posted by Storymark:
I love BSG though.
Everything but the plotting.
The planning Chrisisall
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Given some of the shows/movies you've advocated, I'd be careful tossin' those stones....
Plus, it doesn't even really fit your list, given that it wasn't canceled - they chose their end date, yet it still had a fairly short run (as one of the most critically lauded shows on TV, by the by). As opposed to some other, let's say "Angelic" series which got the proverbial axe.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Totally agreed on Starhunter. I bought it blind as well, mainly after hearing good things about it here. Barely made it through 2 episodes before I gave the set away.
I love BSG though.
That "no plan" complaint is like "duh". There has been one attempt made at planning a series through to the end from the start, Babylon 5, and even then, due to the realities of production, LOTS of changes had to be made along the way.
Writer Peter David (known for comics, TV and a shitload of Trek novels) has discussed this and pointed out that that's what writers DO - they come up with their basic premise, and then let it evolve from there. To expect them to know exactly where things are going is fool-hearty.
I don't see anything wrong with BSG either. I actually feel the opposite of chrisisall. I thought it started out slowly and had only a few decent episodes. Then the final season was awesome. All out action and answers. Except for the glaring exception that is Kara. That was just poorly handled all around.
Which is why I think writers need to follow one golden rule. "Don't introduce anything into the story unless you know what it is." That would have worked wonders on Lost. I think Lost just started throwing things into the story with no idea what they were. That leaves your writers in a huge hole that they have to dig out of.
If they wanted to introduce Kara as a ghost or an angel or a clone or whatever. All they needed to do was know what she was. Then they can let things evolve from there, but as long as they writer her with her backstory in mind then they shouldn't end up with any major contradictions.
I also like to look to Veronica Mars. That show had season long arcs in their first and second season. I'm sure things didn't play out perfectly, but as long as they know who done it then they don't really have any problems when the middle part goes off track.
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I personally felt the last season was the weakest, myself. Not "bad", just not as strong. I didn't mind the stuff with Kara, once the Deus-Ex-Machina element bore out completely, it seemed to fit for me. that, and I like there to be a bit of ambiguity - I didn't want EVERYTHING tied up in a neat bow. My problems with the last season was more in how they chose to reveal the secrets - especially the big "Anders explains everything while lying in bed" episode - worst case of "telling instead of showing" I've seen in a while. But all in all I was satisfied by the ending.
I fell the same about LOST, which I liked even more than BSG, though I also was irritated by the final season to a degree. But I thought it held together very well - especially all the time-leaping shenanigans of season 5, which had to have taken a lot of planning to get to work out as well as it did.
Season-long arcs I don't really regard in the same way, as things for a season are relatively locked down (financing in place, actors contracted in). So shows structured like that have an easier time than those who try and tell a full series-long arc, in which there is just so much in flux that they can't count on anything that far down the line.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Fair enough to say.
Originally posted by Storymark:
Given some of the shows/movies you've advocated, I'd be careful tossin' those stones....
Quote:THAT was frakkin' uncalled for. Angel NEEDED one more season!!!
"Angelic" series which got the proverbial axe.
The laughing Chrisisall
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