Ship in a bottle
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 17:57
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Chrisisall:
Starting a whole post just to target & make fun of a single person is just WRONG!!!!
I take it this is sarcasm, but I agree.
Several things seem wrong. I leave for a few decades and come back and everyone is still at each other's throats about partisan minutiae while the titanic sinks.
It seems that this is a communication misfire, a malfuction of the human genome, or a singularity that initiates the collapse of society, or perhaps human evolution.
Some people are definitely instigators, but can't we all just get along? I mean screw who killed who. Let's move on. Enough with the personal attacks.
This, BTW, is why I left before, and I did it very loudly. Someone started a thread for the purpose of attacking Pirate News, and a lot of people like six year olds on a playground, piled on.
If people want to beat down a disabled vet to prevent him from saying his piece about the corruption of our system, even if some of it loud boisterous, at times obnoxious and offensive to some, then who the hell are we anyway?
I mean, consider the whole plot concept of the show, and the shows, all within a spectrum of what we are collectively fans of:
Firefly. Let's extend. Whedonesque: so, Buffy, Angel, movies if they count. All with a very heavy libertarian to anarchist theme.
Next, space western, Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, etc.
Okay, now, broader spectrum, sci-fi noir, anime.
All of this is a focus on disparate political world views that share a singular social view:
The people in power are not your friends. Your destiny is up to you, and you have to make the best judgment on your own survival, and the best course for humanity.
I mean, how many people here sided with the replicants at least to some extent in either bladerunner or do androids dream of electric sheep?
Now, how many people thought that Star Wars was the pinnacle of intellectual discourse? I'm not saying it sucked. It was entertaining. So was Star Trek. But this isn't a Star Trek world. If being a firefly fan says anything about anyone, it says the opposite of what Star Trek presents (with a few episodice exceptions): A world in which the people in power are looking after everyone's best interests, and if only we could spread their influence across the universe, everything would be just peachy.
That's not the world view of Firefly, or anything like it, you don't find it in Farscape, and you don't find it anything I just mentioned.
So, not to say that auraptor is wrong, sometimes he's right, more often than I care to admit. Sure, it's not because I disagree with his perspective so much as his presentation, which sure, maybe be a mental quirk. But we all do it, and we do it too much.
We should be able to have a civil discussion about our united view against the alliance view, and I don't think that those voices on the forum support the alliance view. They represents it sometimes. But I think that like the rest of us, correct me if I'm wrong, they think that govt. is out of control, and the alliance is basically evil.
If I were to try to step into those shoes, and take what I might call an anti-islamic stance, which I would take to be an anti-faith stance, and sure, is counter to my nature, I could see where Islamic terrorists to some people are reavers. I have a friend who said he was shot in the head twice by some freaks who hadn't even read he koran, and just took some shmuck's word for it on what it said and meant.
But come on, it's not like Christianity and Judaism don't have thousands of years of history of doing exactly the same thing.
Reavers, people, are not muslims, even if some muslims are reavers. But this is just the sort of point we ought to be able to debate, as a single group, with wildly disparate views on the world, but still, a shared vision of how the world works, what constitutes evil, and how the world should work, and I assume that no one here is stupid, so we all saw the same show, and that a world determined by the individual liberty and the good will of the human ra
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Heck yeah?
It does bother me how quickly we turn to calling certain people out to the yard for a showdown. It upsets me when someone says, "How stupid do you have to be to believe the opposite of what I believe?" I don't want to get into that sort of thing. Not cool. I like it here because there are many intelligent people discussing interesting things. Yay for expression!
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"How stupid do you have to be to believe the opposite of what I believe?"
If that's all there was I'd agree. People arguing about things for which there is no proof, and never will be - now that is just stupid. But some people (not Rap) are bringing facts to the discussion. Nothing stupid in that.
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Quote:I'll toss in a Heck Yeah! as well.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
can I get at least a hell yeah to some of this?
Look, JewelStaiteFan, RiverLove, Finn- these peeps give good solid arguments for their beliefs- they are integral parts of this board. AU is an excellent addition to the entertainment side, but at RWED he is little better than a troll, twisting facts like pretzels and then claiming unerring perception.... sorry, but that's MO.
The hecking Chrisisall
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Its always like this. 2 sides firmly entrenched in their belief structures, unable AND unwilling see the other side.
And NEVER open to the FACT that there are more than their 2 viewpoint/sides.
Its depressing to those of us who have far and away stranger/different/deeper experiences than those which will fit into their little boxes.
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Wulf
What I see here is that most people psychologicaly never get past their youth. It's sad. To live all those extra decades and be doomed to repeat the same ideas over and over till you get old and die.
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Quote:When dealing with real vs. perceived absolutes, it can be no different.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Its always like this. 2 sides firmly entrenched in their belief structures, unable AND unwilling see the other side.
When one perceives one's beliefs to be infallible, that's pretty much all she wrote.
When one denies or distorts the truth of facts, the ramparts go up.
Simplicity should be employed, but that would lead to concession, and most can't/won't have it.
The realistic Chrisisall
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This thread is much like Jerry Maguire's mission statement project. I'm glad someone had the moxy to set it out there.
As a Libertarian I often read the partisan bickering and just wag my head and sigh. Often I'm struck with how one person will argue an issue and get it half right, then be rebutted with his/her opponent who has the other half right. Then I mentally take the correct portion from the right...the correct portion from the left...and piece them together to present the answer nobody sees, and then be ignored by both as my solution does not fit an accepted ideoligical viewpoint.
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Amen
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