Imponderables: In The Beginning...

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NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:52 PM

Thanks for all the wishes folks.

Previous Thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=35472&m=651588#651588

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 3:53 PM

BUMP

because I forgot to post in old thread.

ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:11 PM

Secondsies!

If it weren't for malfunctioning voting booths I coulda gots firsties!

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:16 PM

Nah, Firsties is yours.

ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:19 PM

7:45am - get to polls
8:15am - finally someone comes out to explain 7 out of 9 voting booths are not functioningh
9:00am - finally voted

I earned my "I voted" sticker.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:28 PM

Last week the poll at UNR was taking over an hour for early voting. The parking outside has a limit of 30 minutes and people we getting ticketed even as they were putting money in the meter.

ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Last week the poll at UNR was taking over an hour for early voting. The parking outside has a limit of 30 minutes and people we getting ticketed even as they were putting money in the meter.

ouch. Luckily I didn't have to drive. I looked up my polling place and it was like literally right next door to my apartments. I just slammed the alarm clock threw on jeans and a t-shirt and walked over to stand in line for an hour or so. Fun. It almost started raining a couple times too. Luckily it just got to the sprinkling point and never started pouring.

Thing is as annoying as it was to stand in line like that I don't get the people who were being rude to the volunteers. At least I assume they're volunteers and don't get paid to man the polling stations. People were yelling stuff like "well you should have tested these things earlier" and "not very reassuring". Dude I'm sure they're trying to get stuff fixed. Yelling at them isn't helping.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 4:50 PM

Check this out. It was sent to me by one of my oldest friends who lives in Iowa. I'd take it halfwise as it is secondhand news to me, but I rarely let myself get this close to such things.

message:

I live in Iowa. I have a disabled 26 yr old son. I have never registered him to vote because 1. He is not mentally capable and 2. He couldn't read a ballot. He lives in a group home with others like him. They the homes staff registered my son to vote. When I found out I told them that he is NOT allowed to vote. I find out today they took him to vote and a home staff member told him who to vote for (Obama) and was actually the person who help him vote. I am livid. They tell me it is his right and the law. They knew I would probably get him on election day so they took him to vote early. I have already contacted a lawyer and the media will get back with me. I am shaking so bad right now. The staff used my son and others for political gains. Sorry I just needed to vent.I am off now to try and get someone's attention on this matter

I assure you this is true. My friend is very close to this family and knows the state of the young man. Pretty messed up.

ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 5:15 PM

Wow that's very messed up. I bet those staff members will be in some deep deep trouble.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:22 PM

Noon

BUMP

for a busy but less stressful day.

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ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 8:53 PM

I think it's just you and me today. Everyone else is bogged down with work I guess. Or stuck in voting lines. Who thinks the results will roll into tomorrow before we have a set winner?

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:23 PM

If a gorram Zombie invasion just happened and no one told me I'm gonna be pissed.

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KELKHIL

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
If a gorram Zombie invasion just happened and no one told me I'm gonna be pissed.

But wouldn't that be the best way to make sure that there was someone left behind to slow down the Zombies????

(flees!!!)

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

Member of the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:32 PM

There's a zombie invasion in WoW, but I haven't heard of any others. I've been watching CNN all day, you would think they'd mention it. Unless Wolf Blitzer actually is a zombie, hmmm...

So I got up and voted early, walked the half mile or so over there and back, because parking was going to be gross. Waited for about a half an hour, got rained on while walking back (omg! rain in southern California during day light hours! the world is ending!), then drove hubby to work because apparently there's going to be some drinking there today lol. Now I'm all sleepy.

First exit polls in half an hour, then the first polls close in an hour and a half. Hopefully we'll be able to get some sort of indication on how things are looking before tomorrow morning. It'll take a lot longer to hear about the Propositions here in California though. I'm a total election junky, but I am so looking forward to not having to look at all the ads and crap anymore.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:43 PM

First off...

I LOVE SKITTLES!!!

Taste the rainbow bitchez!!!

Second, i would suck during a zombie situation. I can't run long distance, I get hungry easy, I care too much for other people, and I'm only a fair shot.

Tootsie rolls suck the brown parts, Starburst are really good after the Skittles dry up, and Zack And Miri Make A Porno was far too funny for this day and age.

END just found left over Halloween candy rant.

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FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:54 PM

ooh, new threadness. shiny ^_^

so how's everyone this most tense of election days XD

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:57 PM

MSB

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:07 PM

Hi all

1st the staff at that home should be FIRED!!

2nd sorry I was out at trainings for half the day and am now home working on a behavior report for a meeting tomorrow

3rd Zach and Miri was HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

4th...must vote tonight

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:30 PM

Whoa I turn my back for one hour and look at all the people. Wait a minute...you guys are all zombies now huh? I can't turn my back or you'll eat my brain!

GORRAMGROUPIE

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:13 PM

1. Went to the store(Walmart) on November 1, NOVEMBER 1st, and they are playing Christmas music. What happened to Black Friday? It put me in the opposite spirit, wanted to burn the &^(*%( place to the ground.

2. Brain is gone, not from zombies but from bad day at work. People are basically stupid, except the people on this thread.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

ZEEK

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:45 PM

Time for me to go home and watch too much cnn.

*Zeek backs away slowly while facing potential zombies*

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 2:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by NVGhostRider: I live in Iowa. I have a disabled 26 yr old son. I have never registered him to vote because 1. He is not mentally capable and 2. He couldn't read a ballot. He lives in a group home with others like him. They the homes staff registered my son to vote. When I found out I told them that he is NOT allowed to vote. I find out today they took him to vote and a home staff member told him who to vote for (Obama) and was actually the person who help him vote. I am livid. They tell me it is his right and the law. They knew I would probably get him on election day so they took him to vote early. I have already contacted a lawyer and the media will get back with me. I am shaking so bad right now. The staff used my son and others for political gains. Sorry I just needed to vent. I am off now to try and get someone's attention on this matter

It doesn't even matter that they were telling them to vote for obama, the fact that this is happening at *ALL* in *ANY* capacity is more than fucking wrong, and it pisses me off.

Recount, anyone? holy shit, batman. good luck to your friend.

CK: LOLZ on the zombie emergency plan XD

MSB

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 6:33 AM

*cracks open ammo stockpile and checks weapons one last time*

NVG here! Results are in, let the zombie-pocalypse commence.

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

ZEEK

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:22 PM

I don't know how the heck they project these results so quickly. Looking back now they projected stuff that ended up with like a 2% difference between the candidates and they were projecting them with like 12% returns. Drives me nuts. They even projected michigan for obama when mccain was in the lead for the results they had at the time. wtf is that about? They were right of course but still. You think there's a reason people don't think their votes matter? Maybe because they don't even need to count them before they call the race?

I guess I'm glad I didn't have to stay up late watching the boring political analysts argue, but the projections will always drive me crazy.

side note: my brother went to the obama rally in chicago. Didn't see him on tv or anything but sorta interesting that he was there. Not something I'd do, but he always has to do what the cool kids are doing.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 3:26 PM

was there a riot? :-P lol

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:01 PM

Are you kidding. That is what the zombie hoarde looks like.

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FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 5:22 PM

lolz XD i'll get my shovel *looks up emergency zombie steps again*

MSB

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 8:32 PM

HUGS all..sorry busy day

____________________________________________

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 8:35 PM

*hugs back* its ok MsA we still love u ^_^

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 9:20 PM

Included as an extra feature on the Samurai 7 discs was this awesome show

that you can now watch on HULU. Just sharing with some of my favorite folk.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
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FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 9:22 PM

O_o what is it?

NVGHOSTRIDER

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 9:38 PM

A series of shorts about Mr' Stain and a cat that lives in Junk Alley. A little wierd but I (and my nephew) really liked them.

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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
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FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 10:02 PM

huh. interesting.

its dark out here.

ZEEK

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
its dark out here.

Yeah this time change seems to have gone in the wrong direction. Now it gets dark at like 5:00pm ick.

FREELANCERTEX

Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:41 PM

yeah. love it when that happens >< not.

6am "what the shit? why is it light out? ><"
5pm "why the hell is it dark *now*?"

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Thursday, November 6, 2008 12:08 AM

At least they moved the time change back a week. It used to be right before Halloween, which seemed like the stupidest time ever -- just when millions of little kids are going to go tramping through their neighborhoods, let's make it darker an hour earlier.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, November 6, 2008 12:30 AM

lol true, i'll agree with u on that.

MSB

Thursday, November 6, 2008 1:31 AM

I love the fall back..hate the spring forward..I'm a big fan of extra sleep..

LOL CK I wish someone had told my PDA. It went all time changy on me the week before and I had to argue with it :)

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, November 6, 2008 1:39 AM

yeah the spring forward sucks, but the getting dark at like 430 in the afternoon sucks as well ><

ZEEK

Thursday, November 6, 2008 3:40 PM

I just gotta say south park is crazy. I'm impressed that they got obama's acceptance speech in their episode the very next day, but they of course had to go over the top with the episode too. The whole focus of the episode was that obama, mccain and palin were really like ocean's eleven. They were all in it together to steal some diamond necklace through a secret presidential escape tunnel in the white house. Anyway one part of it was that obama's grandma's death was faked so she could pull off one part of the heist. Not cool.

The rest was funny though.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:09 PM

Timeless the South Park

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FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, November 6, 2008 4:35 PM

lol u should know by now theyre notorious for being over the top :-P

MSB

Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:33 PM

ok I am now pondering just starting a new account ... 'cause I can't get my profile to update at all...

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Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength; loving someone deeply gives you courage."
Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.”-Dave Barry

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:35 PM

aw man :\ well it would give u an excuse to change ur username ^_^

ZEEK

Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:58 PM

There's a good ponder. What are women's thoughts on the name change with marriage? Is it important and why? Just a tradition? Status symbol?

MSA

Thursday, November 6, 2008 6:12 PM

:) Yippee it's me... had to make a new log in, but oh well it worked

Ok Zeek in answer to your question for me it symbolizes becomeing a part of his family. We are a family together and taking his name represents that. Plus legally less confusing when it comes to registration of kids at school and such.

Plus it makes me feel connected :)

* working on this*

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, November 6, 2008 6:17 PM

YAY!! MsA!!!! ^_^

or ir you really hate your last name *points to self* you'll be really happy to change it

ZEEK

Thursday, November 6, 2008 6:24 PM

The only choice I'm against is hyphenated names. What happens to the kids? Do they get the hyphenated name too? Then if they marry someone else with a hyphenated name are they going to end up with 4 names all jammed together? I don't see the point of that. I'm an all or nothing type of guy I guess.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:06 PM

I can relate to the hyphenated name after marriage. Too many professionals have their name established and need to be recognized as the person they were before marriage. My favorite is Dr. Susan Doctor. An incredible woman, caling her Dr. Doctor was just the norm for many years. After she got married she went with the hyphen and people still know who you are talking about. Of course I don't think the change is required, but the person stuck with the name makes the ultimate call. Plus it's cute. Still not used to calling her Mrs. Allen.

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KELKHIL

Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
What are women's thoughts on the name change with marriage?

Honestly I think it is important for us men to show that they are our property!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:

'Bout damn time woman!

[/sexist jokes before he gets his ass kicked]

?????

Quote:
Originally posted by freelancertex:
or ir you really hate your last name *points to self* you'll be really happy to change it

What Tex????

0.o

Should've come up with something better then!

(on a gummie bear sugar high atm..... damn these things are good!)

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

Member of the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

DANCINGNEKO

Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:13 PM

I agree with MsA. I think that taking my (future, currently imaginary) husband's name would be another way to symbolically become a part of his family. (I'm leaning towards either adding his name to the end of mine, or finding some other way to keep my last name for professional uses only. -- So I'd probably be Mrs. DancingNeko MyLastname Hislastname.)

Of course, I'd also be open to him taking my last name (Mr. FutureHusband MyLastName HisLastName or Mr. FutureHusband HisLastName MyLastName) but that's just me I would like us to share a last name.

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The legalities/confusion for children whose parents keep their individual last names doesn't bother me right now. I'm used to having a child with one name and the parent with another last name. It does get a bit confusing at times, but it's not a biggy to me.
For those couples, there are different ways of doing it: I know of one couple who used one surname for a middle name -- so Mr. X and Ms. Y had a child named Tina Y X. I know of another couple who combined their last name for their child's last name -- Mr. Nelson and Ms. Van Hatten children's last name is Van Nelson.

Hyphenation doesn't bother me either. I'd guess that when those children marry, they'll deal with it on their own.

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*snerks at Kelkhil while subtly looking for Laurlein's brand on his backside*

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geesh, I'm babbling today.

ZEEK

Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:28 PM

Yeah I don't mind the idea of the guy taking the woman's name if she needs to keep it for professional reasons and he has no reason to keep his name. I guess I'm just not attached to my last name at all and I don't really have any strong feelings about it.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:29 PM

Quote:
geesh, I'm babbling today.

Still good to hear from you despire the babbling.

Busy morning. Arranging travel sucks. Kinda pissed that I got denied a training earlier this year that cost a few hundred dollars whhile the travel/training I am arranging is for over four grand and is for a violence prevention/intervention conferance in SoCal that I don't really see as neccessary.

Meh, oh well.

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KELKHIL

Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dancingneko:
*snerks at Kelkhil while subtly looking for Laurlein's brand on his backside*

(spins 'round and 'round)

Quit lookin' at my butt!

(spins out of the thread)

(it's the Gummies I tells ya!)

Some men just wanna watch the world burn

Zombie Killing, Ninja in Training Kelkhil
The Shirtless Forsaken

Member of the Coalition for HK - Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.

ZEEK

Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:48 PM

Gummy Bears bouncing here and there and everywhere!!

DANCINGNEKO

Thursday, November 6, 2008 9:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Quote:
Originally posted by Dancingneko:
*snerks at Kelkhil while subtly looking for Laurlein's brand on his backside*

(spins 'round and 'round)

Quit lookin' at my butt!

(spins out of the thread)

(it's the Gummies I tells ya!)

*giggles* That's right, it's pasted right on your forehead.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, November 6, 2008 11:01 PM

Okay, a little bit pissed now. Hate to drag politics into this place but I'm sure some of you will understand why I'm so pissed off after reading this post on another forum.

http://www.snipershide.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=82
5832#Post825832

I had included an extra long post with this link but decided to delete it in favor of discussion. I know my stance, but where does eveyone else stand?

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ZEEK

Thursday, November 6, 2008 11:15 PM

Extremes are bad mmmmkay? I highly doubt there will be a gun collection in this country. Both parties seem to have an extreme view on the subject.

I personally don't understand the infatuation some people have with guns. I've never owned a gun and don't particularly want to own a gun. Killing a living animal is far from a turn on for me. I've only fired guns once at a shooting range and it really didn't do anything for me.

I think people should be allowed to own guns for self defense but I don't see any need for people to have high powered weaponry. Armor piercing bullets? Really? Sniper rifles that are accurate up to a mile away? AK-47s? Have any of you ever been in a situation where you needed one of these weapons to defend your home? I feel that hand guns are plenty to defend yourself from a robber. If they really start upping the stakes then we can always re-evaluate.

FREELANCERTEX

Thursday, November 6, 2008 11:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kelkhil: What Tex????

O_O what???????? i dont like my last name. so when i get married i'm changing it >< duh

if obama outlaws hunting -or- firearms, i might just have to be pissed off. i'm a year away from my handgun permit, and that just wouldn't be cool.
that said, i'd also like to have some words with that teacher, and the principal. expelling a student for expressing his views @_@
can't believe this shit is staring already. what the fuck

NVGHOSTRIDER

Thursday, November 6, 2008 11:45 PM

1)I have been in the situation to defend myself with such weaponry both literally and figuratively.
2)The rule to a handgun (because their effectiveness is not a great as some think) is that it is used to get a person back to their long gun in a fight.
3)Having been on both ends of the gun more times than I like really made me believe that I will never be outgunned by choice ever again.

Not everyone lives in an urban area where the Law Enforcement lives literally right next door. The ak-47 is a very misunderstood weapon and is no more lethal than many sporting arms on the shelf. Misconceptions are really fueling the fire in these surfacing situations. I'm mostly astounded at the people who live with domestic terrorists on a daily basis and choose to disarm the common man rather than to defend themselves from the criminal. If gun grabs happen violence against common people WILL get worse.

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FREELANCERTEX

Friday, November 7, 2008 12:14 AM

i couldn't have put it better NV. well said.

That being said, *if* that happens, I can't help but wonder what people will say then.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, November 7, 2008 2:00 AM

I'm actually really offended by that post.

But backing up a step, a couple of things. First, I think the teacher was out of line talking politics with kids that young, especially in showing her bias, and the principal was out of line in her reaction. Second, I own a gun, and although I am typically very liberal and don't enjoy hunting, I think the right to have weapons (within certain limits) is an important one.

That said, I think the poster is a sour-grapes conservative who is lashing out at the first pro-Obama encounter he has. Mentioning that the principal is a black woman was completely and totally unnecessary, and shows his racist roots IMO. Calling the President Elect a liar and the people who support him "fucks" is totally out of line, and says far more about the poster than it says about the teacher or the principal.

Second, this is the very first time I've heard anything about Obama coming down hard on gun control, and forgive me if I don't accept the word of a hot headed, racist conservative who has his panties in a knot because his guy didn't win. I would be hugely surprised if any sort of gun control is even addressed during Obama's first year, and even if he manages to get Congress to pass something during his first term, it won't be going door to door taking away everyone's guns.

Most liberals who are for gun control want two things: safety for kids, and checks to make sure that convicted criminals and those with mental illnesses can't get their hands on guns. It's not about taking guns away, it's about limiting gun violence. Yes, there are some extremists who don't think anyone should have guns and don't think animals should be killed for food. But for the most part, people who favor gun control are worried about the crackpots getting their hands on guns, not your average responsible citizen.

The right to bear arms is not about hunting. It's not even really about defending your house from an intruder. It's about the right to have weapons in case our government turns against us, like happened so many times with England and the first American settlers.

Third, public schools in this country have a vested interest in carefully monitoring any discussion about guns, shooting, or violence in general. I don't agree with a policy against talking about hunting, but if a school feels it needs to outlaw all talking about guns so that they can tell who is talking about killing classmates, then I respect their need to keep their students safe. Responsible gun owners understand the stresses schools are under, and will teach their children that respecting guns means not only cleaning and handling them carefully, but also watching what you say in sensitive settings like schools, police departments, and airports.

Overall, the guy who made that post strikes me as a backwoods conservative who is just pissed off that his guy didn't win, and is doing a sky-is-falling temper tantrum over Obama winning. You know what, we all had to live with your fuckhead of a President for 8 years, and put up with all his shitass decisions and actual documented lying to the American public. At least see what President Obama does with his time as President before blaming all society's ills on the man. And for FUCKS SAKE keep your goddamn racism to yourself.

/seriously offended

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Friday, November 7, 2008 2:05 AM

First off there's no way Obama can outlaw gun..it's unconstitutional
2- that teacher can certainly state her opinion, but absolutely CANNOT make disparaging remarks about the student , his parent or their choices regarding guns...the principal was WRONG and I would take that to the school board immediately...what if the teacher said all people who watch cartoons are violent and the kids would be suspended if they talked about watching cartoons???
3- yeah with NV on the gun thing.. if a rapist breaks into my house what would you like me to do..." excuse me mister rapist could you maybe leave instead 'cause I called the cops and they will probably be here in 15 or 20 minutes .."

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, November 7, 2008 2:36 AM

Just in case it wasn't clear, the "you" in my post was directed at the guy who made the post that NV linked to, not anyone here of course.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

DANCINGNEKO

Friday, November 7, 2008 2:52 AM

*pausing to take a gentle breath*

Gonna address the issues as I see them in the post you linked to:
1. The teacher is entitled to her opinion as an opinion. I have my own opinions on other things, but I'm entitled to them. Acting as if the opinions are gospel, is something I disagree with completely.

2. I don't recall Obama ever claiming that one of his platforms was to ban guns. Wherever the teacher got her information -- it was totally out of line to claim something like that in a classroom.

3. I'm not a gun person, but I do understand that there are those who do use guns to hunt (usually for food first, then sport after) and for protection. It's not for me, but I am of the mind that if it's used for those goals, then it's that person's thing.

4. I think that the principal overreacted a bit with the threat of expulsion for simply talking about hunting. I can understand the nervousness of administration when people talk about firearms (thank Columbine and the various school shootings that came after for that one), but hunting....huh?

5. The whole thing about Obama has me scratching my head and going "Wha?" Where are these crazy claims coming from? Most folks that I know of grumbled after the 2000 election, but waited for our president to actually get into office and do something before lamblasting him for whatever issues they saw.

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Personally, I would suggest that this person 1) request a copy of that video tape; 2) visit the district superintendent (or whomever is higher up than the princpal) and complain; and 3) use this to teach the step-son that not everything is fair, but there are ways to deal with this.

I believe in gun saftey for all -- accidental deaths due to guns give me the heebie-jeebies, and gang use of guns make me very nervous. While I don't see the reasoning for people owning guns that shoot several rounds per second for personal use, I can see the reasoning for other types of guns. Again, it's not my choice, and it's not for me, but I can understand that it's other people's preferences (and I ask that others respect mine).

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, November 7, 2008 2:59 AM

always so astute and well thought-out with your responses CK ^_^

that being said, it also made me realize how much i hate the way parties treat each other ><;;

*retreats to a corner*

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, November 7, 2008 5:18 AM

This pretty much sums up why I think AK-47s are inappropriate for private ownership, and why I think we need better laws against convicted criminals getting guns: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/01/halloween.slaying.ap/index.html?er
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Even ex-convicts have a right to defend their homes, within the terms of their parole or release, but if this guy had had a handgun instead of an AK-47, that child might still be alive. This also could have happened to anyone, ex-convict or not, who overreacts to the possibility of an intruder. Once you start shooting through the front walls of your home, "oops sorry" doesn't really make it better.

What really twists my gut is that the shooter seems to be remorseful -- this wasn't callous, indifferent, or violence for violence's sake. This was a man alone in his home who thought he was being robbed and reacted on instinct before he had time to double check. He's ruined multiple lives now because his weapon of choice allowed him to act on that first burst of adrenalin, rather than double checking himself.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 7, 2008 5:51 AM

"Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond."

"Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money."

Let's see, dirty mother fuckers doing dirty shit. Can that be the reason for such horrible things? The AK47 is probably the most common military style firearm in the world. There are no less than a few hundred in my "rural" county alone.

If we could only outlaw dirty tweekers and scandalous bitches then there might not be a need to be better armed than such folk. This was not a man alone in his house and he is not without past indescresions. One does not need to be under the influence of drugs for them to still be influencing their state of mind.

ADD: It does not state if he was an ex-felon but under federal mandate any person convicted of a felony are prohibited from purchasing and owning firearms.

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KELKHIL

Friday, November 7, 2008 2:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:

Even ex-convicts have a right to defend their homes, within the terms of their parole or release, but if this guy had had a handgun instead of an AK-47, that child might still be alive.

Honestly he should not have had either. The "EX_-CON" thing basically takes teh right to bear arms away from him. He gave up his right to bear arms when he committed his first felony. Along with quite a few other rights. And the 7500 in cahs means something else probably highly illegal was going on here.

Morning Ponderers!

Happy Friday!

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ZEEK

Friday, November 7, 2008 4:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
If we could only outlaw dirty tweekers and scandalous bitches then there might not be a need to be better armed than such folk.

Two problems with that. 1.) There are a ton of people who would be outraged if the government tried to create some "test" for gun ownership. 2.) Wanting to be better armed than the other guy leads to no good. When does it stop. Do people need to own a bazooka in case the other guy has an assault rifle? Should people have tanks in case the other guy has a bazooka? Let's all go get nukes because we should have the right to defend our families from an invading army.

There was a comedian once who made a funny point about the right to bear arms. When that was written into the constitution guns took a long time to get off even two rounds. You had to pour in the gun powder, then through a bullet in there, then get that long rod thing to cram it all down with and then you could finally fire a second round. (possibly inaccurate as I'm not a gun historian) Still I don't think the founding fathers really wanted everyone to carry weapons that could kill crowds of people in a few seconds.

There's never any way to become completely secure. There will always be threats that you can't defend yourself against. I think being reasonable is a step in the right direction. If assault rifles are outlawed it's highly unlikely you'll ever need an assault rifle to defend yourself. I know criminals don't care what is illegal and what isn't, but criminals can own assault rifles now and I've still never even seen one in person.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 7, 2008 5:43 PM

Had a sizeable response but the gorram 'puter restarted.

Firstly, any person under indictment, currently has a restraining order against them, has been convicted of domestic violence, or has any previous felony conviction is not allowed to buy, sell, or posess a firearm.

Second, war was fought that way because of the rules set in place for the time. Of course the British already had a considerable jump on the American Colonists with their military firearms and tactics. Yes, their guns were better than the colonists.When the colonists adopted tactics of Native people they were called savages and were treated as criminals for doing what happens in war, they killed the enemy. Moonlight raids, hand to hand combat, ambush, and guerilla warfare were all against the rules to the British. They prefered skirmish line tactics, were capable of loading their combat weapons faster than the colonists due to the weapon configuration, and had a standardized and steady supply of powder and lead for their weapons. It was not the will of the fathers to kill many people at once. It was their hope that any tyrannical thinking would be second guessed if the common man was armed.

The tyrannical government sounds a lot like the modern criminal don't it?

As a common person I may not modify, buy, sell, or posess a fully automatic firearm, silencers, short barreled rifles or shotguns, or explosive/destructive devices under the mandate of federal law. I and most responsible gun owners are fine with that. But to have people with little or no experience with the type of firearm I use and train with tell me that it is an evil machine feels like a moot conversation. Perceptions of these things have been inudated with negative images by the media for years. I see no need to own a tank, RPG, or C4. But I do see and train myself behind the reasoning owning magazines thet hold more than ten rounds of a small high velocity round capable of killing rabbits, deer, and someone in the immediate threat zone of my home or family. Isn't that the purpose of the firearm for American colonists?

The children in question. The teenager was talking about a bolt action rifle which he fully intended to carry when he fianally gets to take the big walk with his father. Sure he intended to kill a deer. But he also intended to have the walking experience with his father which seems to be a dying spirit as the years pass. Remorse and pain is all I can feel for the poor child from the news report. Regardless if it was a rifle, handgun, machete or a pocket knife there is still an innocent child whose blood has been spilled because of a dirty person and their paranoia. Dirty people will continue to kill the innocent regardless of the weapon at hand until the end of time. I am not asking for a better weapon than a dirty bastard like that. I am asking to have the capability to continue defending myself from a person who could have just as easily walked into a house or a school yard or a McDonalds and done the same thing.

ADD:
armed /ɑrmd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ahrmd] Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. bearing firearms; having weapons: a heavily armed patrol.
2. maintained by arms: armed peace.
3. involving the use of weapons: armed conflict.
4. equipped: The students came armed with their pocket calculators.
5. (esp. of an animal) covered protectively, as by a shell.
6. fortified; made secure: Armed by an inveterate optimism, he withstood despair.
7. (of an artillery shell, bomb, missile, etc.) having the fuze made operative.

Armed doesn't necessarily mean just with a gun. It also means to posess something with the intent of using it. My meaning in this case is armed with the mindset to protect, prevent, secure, and survive. Maintaining basic rights to live.

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MSA

Friday, November 7, 2008 6:34 PM

When I read that, despite remorse, I'm thinking... why was this guy's first response to a knock at the door to open fire? That indicates to me he had reason to believe that someone was coming to get him... this means either he'd recently done something to someone or had someone after him or he was so paranoid from past drug use that this was his response

Also a hand gun would have cut through that door just as easily and a 9 mm would have the same number of rounds in the clip as an AK... so either way convicted felon with gun..BAD THING

Ok so we were just talking in the office.. should there be a psychiatric daignosis of munchausen's by proxy psychological not physical

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, November 7, 2008 6:58 PM

Good point about him thinking there was someone coming to get him MsA. I read an earlier version of that article, before they arrested the second person in the house, which made it sound like it really was just an overreaction to someone on the porch (from what the family of the boy said, it sounded like they hadn't even knocked on the door yet).

But then the problem is still people who shouldn't have guns being able to get guns, which I maintain is one of the major areas of gun control that supposed anti-gun liberals want to address. What I don't understand is why some gun owners object to more extensive background checks or waiting periods. Sure it's more of a hassle than just walking up and buying what you want, but isn't it worth it to keep guns out of the hands of convicts?

I guess the thing that gets to me are the (non-convict) gun owners who I don't feel are responsible about their guns, unlike our dear NVG. No one disputes that guns are lethal weapons, so why the objections to having tighter controls on them? Why shouldn't you be held to a higher standard if you want to own and operate something that can easily kill multiple people?

Like I said earlier, I think that being responsible about your guns doesn't include just being careful with cleaning and handling, but also includes how you behave as a gun owner when you don't have a gun in your hand. I think being a responsible gun owner should mean supporting laws that make it difficult for criminals and the mentally ill to get their hands on guns. I think being a responsible gun owner should mean being willing to plan your purchases well in advance, so that background checks and wait periods don't cramp your style. I think being a responsible gun owner should mean knowing what situations it's inappropriate to talk about guns in -- airports, schools, etc. And I think being a responsible gun owner should mean teaching your children all these things along with gun safety.

But apparently there are a lot of people out there who vehemently disagree with me, which makes me hugely uncomfortable at the idea of them owning guns. Which I think is how we end up with this idea that liberals hate guns.

As far as the link that started this conversation, I still think that it has more to do with sour grapes about McCain not winning than with guns. The teacher was out of line in the way she communicated her views on politics, but that's something to be calmly discussed with the superintendent, not something to get so angry about you're "pacing the floor like a serial killer" (direct quote from the original poster -- see why the idea of people like him having guns makes people like me nervous??). And I still think that if the school feels the need to outlaw all talk of guns, then that's their prerogative. A responsible gun owner would understand the reasons there, and would teach his son the reasons and teach him to follow those rules.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Friday, November 7, 2008 7:11 PM

So how do we feel about people owning ipods???

Sorry just in a silly mood today plus trying to get my brain back on after the long attempt to recreat a full year's curriculum

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Friday, November 7, 2008 7:22 PM

Sorry MsA, I'm just in a shitty mood today. That post NVG linked to really put me in a foul mood, and on top of that I'm caught between a rock and a hard place with all this Prop 8 stuff out here. Now gay activists are protesting outside the Mormon temple in LA, which is so fucking inappropirate and bigotted I can't even form the words. I voted against Prop 8, am not talking to my family who supported it until Christmas, and think that funding from out of state interest groups for any proposition in California is wrong. But when a group that is asking for equal rights, fair treatment, and an end to the bigotry attacks another group with hate and bigotry, they lose the moral high ground. I believe in equal rights but I have no sympathy for those protestors whatsoever right now.

So yeah, just feeling a little pissy right now.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

MSA

Friday, November 7, 2008 8:04 PM

I just don't get the fuss... why do you care if someone marries someone else... saying you can't get married if you're gay doesn't make them not gay. It doesn't mean they won't have a "marriage" it doesn't really do anything except make people feel bad...so what's the point ( yes I expect laws, rules, legislation, and everything to have a point...I'm weird that way. If it accomplishes nothing then skip it)
HUGS CK I'm sorry sweety...

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, November 7, 2008 8:24 PM

To me it all seems temporary. This is just like every other civil rights movement in american history. Some idiots think they can classify a group of people as somehow less than everyone else for no apparent reason. They try to deny them basic rights. Eventually enough people realize that we're all human and we all deserve to be treated equally and the laws are fixed.

Proposition 8 is a step in the wrong direction, but maybe it will get enough attention on the subject to get everything worked out. The worst part is that marriage really isn't seen as a basic human right. So, I doubt the supreme court will step in. It will take congress IMO, but we'll get there.

MSA

Friday, November 7, 2008 8:29 PM

ok this will cheer you all up

http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/dave-barry/story/756596.h
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To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

GORRAMGROUPIE

Friday, November 7, 2008 10:44 PM

Okay, I will be serious, for a bit.

Issue A: the teacher and the principal were way off base, IF in fact the poster is telling the truth and not just exaggerating. Yes "Democrats" believe in gun control, but only the extremes believe in banning them all. I grew up with my dad being a police officer, so I was always around handguns, plus a little .22 we had for target shooting. My dad always had his guns locked up, and from a young age taught us gun safety, so I am comfortable with them, although I don't own one (no need, although I would like to target shoot some more). I agree that some kinds of guns/ammo should be controlled, but I will not draw the line. guns are a tool, when used right, and we should look at the people, not the tool. Even a screwdriver can kill in the wrong hands.

Issue B: Marriage is an institution, and taking the name of the husband is a former legal requirement, or maybe just a cultural thing. When my wife and I married, I never insisted she take my last name, but she did. Years later, when I change my given name, I almost switched the entire family's last name to her maiden name, because of various issues. Now, about what makes a maariage, I have my opinion, but I also believe that it's my opinion and shouldn't be the legal definition. There are plenty of people who haven't gotten the legal piece of paper, who are more married then others who marry, divorce, marry, divorce over and over. And that includes people of the same sex, both ways. A relationship that is stable, regardless of the makeup of the parties involved, is morally better imho, then someone who just jumps from partner to partner.

Bleh, enough serious stuff.
New ponder:
Why is the rum always gone?

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FREELANCERTEX

Friday, November 7, 2008 10:44 PM

lolz, i love sarcasm XD "Can we all stop being so *nasty* to each other? ...ok, didn't think so." XD

NVGHOSTRIDER

Friday, November 7, 2008 11:50 PM

Had to run a kid to cosmotology schools in Reno this afternoon and got to witness a Prop 8 couple working on their degrees. Not really sure where I stand other than the possible tax discussion of having more married couples filing jointly on their returns.

Of course regs and controls are great. Anyone serious about buying a weapon definately needs to be checked and held accountable for the purchase. I wish there could be a mandatory class for people considering a firearm purchase, kinda like the hunters ed classes NV people take before getting a hunting license. Perhaps not a pass/fail class (yet) but more of a safety briefing for resident purchasers. CCW carry permits require classes and qualification both as a class and on the range. The good teachers teach legal ramifications and shoot/don't shoot scenarios. Not a bad idea for resident purchasers.

Waiting periods are up to the state and municipality involved. Although it pains me to say it I do believe a waiting period isn't all that bad an idea. Seven days is a bit much. Three days seems plenty as it takes 48 hours to create a ding on the NCIC from anywhere in the US.

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MSA

Saturday, November 8, 2008 12:53 AM

Ok... Friday!!!!!!!!

We're going to Carson city... I don't know why, but stilll wheeeeee

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Saturday, November 8, 2008 12:56 AM

I think a safety briefing/qualification course isn't a bad idea at all. If you're really serious about purchasing a weapon, you should be willing to go through the necessary motions 'cause safety's something you just don't skimp on.

ok, what is Prop 8? is it a bill that's trying to ban gay marriage or something?

MSA

Saturday, November 8, 2008 7:50 PM

Yup it is and it passed in California...which is so stupid

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

MSA

Sunday, November 9, 2008 4:41 PM

BUMP!

Just for Sundays sake

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Sunday, November 9, 2008 5:15 PM

A. it isnt anyone's business what 2 consenting adults do.
B. why should homosexuals be denied the happiness that you and MrsA now enjoy

c. show-offs

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FREELANCERTEX

Sunday, November 9, 2008 6:59 PM

zacly, i think it's stupid to even have a proposition like that, and i can't frakin *believe* it passed in california. holy crap.

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, November 10, 2008 3:28 PM

where did everybody go?

and now a random lolcat:

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 PM

'Morning Ponderers.

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FREELANCERTEX

Monday, November 10, 2008 5:00 PM

lol, mornin NV ^_^ how's ur monday going?

ZEEK

Monday, November 10, 2008 5:13 PM

Today is a sleepy day. Stupid brain woke me up at 4am for no apparent reason and then didn't want to sleep anymore for a while.

I finally started watching tv and luckily the south park movie was boring enough to put me back to sleep.

MSA

Monday, November 10, 2008 5:21 PM

Morning all:)

HUGS FMF yeah.. but ain't we cute:)

Oh I hate when that happens Zeek ... I've yet to discover a cure. :) HUGS

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, November 10, 2008 5:46 PM

hi MsA!!

sry to hear that zeek >< i've had that happen a couple times, usually find that browsing on the computer or reading a really dull book helps :-P strain ur brain tryna make sense of what the author's trying to say and all of a sudden ur tired XD

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:12 PM

Pretty allright weekend. Did a minimal amount of work, made a worthwhile trade for a more practical rifle, slept a ton Sunday, and got to hang out with my favorite person.

Not a bad weekend.

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MSA

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:16 PM

ok here's a ponder

How would you feel if you were out on leave and when you got back someone had given your desk away and boxed up all your stuff??

April, one of our techs, is out on maternity leave and our boss has forced us to ditch her desk and box her things and move her into our already over crowded office ( shared by 8 people) to make room for something else...

NV

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

NVGHOSTRIDER

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:20 PM

NOT cool. Does she get it back after returning? If so, what will that do for space in your already closet-like office?

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RHYIANAN

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:22 PM

I wouldn't exactly be happy, but I guess how I would feel about that kind of thing would depend on if I was told or not. If there was a warning before it happened, or even if I were told before I got back to find that everything was moved, then I would be more okay with it than if there wasn't the communication. It's just polite and respectful to not have the shock sprung upon you like that.

I'm a leaf on the wind

FREELANCERTEX

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA: How would you feel if you were out on leave and when you got back someone had given your desk away and boxed up all your stuff??

April, one of our techs, is out on maternity leave and our boss has forced us to ditch her desk and box her things and move her into our already over crowded office ( shared by 8 people) to make room for something else...

that's just wrong. not to mention it's completely not fair to April @_@ what (or who) is it theyre *making room* for?

MSA

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:41 PM

Note sure what they are making room for.. and it makes our small office ( about the size of a small bedroom in a home) even more cramped as now 3 techs share one desk, each of us( the consultants) have a desk, and there's also all the file cabinets and a printer table in here as well...
No she wasn't told before. I think someone likely has called her and said something but no official request or telling has been done.... I'm kind of pissed at my boss for this

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Monday, November 10, 2008 6:44 PM

Hmmm something tells me that's potentially illegal. Your private property is still yours whether it's in an office or in your home. Going through all of it is not cool.

I don't keep anything too personal at work, but I'd still be peeved. It also depends on whether or not this was going to happen whether I was in the office or not.

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