Death of a fellow firefly fan

POSTED BY: fireflyfanatic
UPDATED: Thursday, February 5, 2004 21:44
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FIREFLYFANATIC

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:55 AM

Quote:
Caution: the below post is fake, the boarduser "SouthernSlayer" is not dead as purported by "fireflyfanatic".

Well im new to the board and really have only come out of a recommendation by a dear friend of mine who used to post here, his name is Andrew but he posted on this site as 'southern slayer'. But sadly he is no longer with us,due to unknown circumstances andrew saw fit to take his own life about 2 weeks ago. He loved life and lived his very short one to the fullest, with a great passion for all things joss whedon including firefly.being a great friend of mine, it came as a shock to both me, our friends and his family. so i thought it would be a nice tribute to him if i began to post here and dedicated a thread in his honour, so its with great sadness and joy that i dedicate this thread to my very good friend andrew, thankyou for the years of friendship and for introducing me to the world of joss whedon may you find in the afterlife what you were so desperately seeking in life.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:26 AM

Fanatic/ who ever the hell else you are .....

ATHERTONWING

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:31 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When you can't run anymore ,you crawl, and when you can't do that...well, yeah, you know the rest.

Nicley put.

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:38 AM

SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:39 AM

FIREFLYFANATIC

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by Succatash:

Oh my God. This is terrible news and very freaky. He killed himself 2 weeks ago?

In Southern Slayer's profile, it shows he posted five times on Jan. 11, about 2 weeks ago.( http://www.fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=3282)

Furthermore, here's an old thread extremely weird in a bad freaky way. Posted 4 months ago:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=2545

I'm really freaked out right now.

it will be 2 weeks on thursday the 29th of january, his funeral was held monday just gone. i cant believe he was posting during that time, thanks alot for those links.

LOVEKAYLEE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:18 AM

thats so sad, lets hope he bought some firefly dvds though.

'shiny!'

'well my days of not taking you seriously are certanly coming to a middle'

SHINY

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:40 AM

Fireflyfanatic, please convey our deepest condolences to Southern Slayer's family. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and you.

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:48 AM

That same link also shows that the "SouthernSlayer"
account was Last Visited: Today "Tuesday, January 27, 2004"... How's that?

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SUCCATASH

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:50 AM

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:54 AM

That doesn't make any sense! The "Last Visited"
in the Member Profile would be the last time
that Member visited fff.net... Look at another
member:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/showprofile.asp?u=1353

wnerraw's "Last Visited" was Oct 28, 2002.
I clicked on the wnerraw's profile several times
and it still sez the same thing...

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Originally posted by Succatash:
That's us clicking the link.

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SUCCATASH

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:56 AM

SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:02 AM

It wouldn't be unreasonable for family to go through computer accounts.

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:14 AM

I suppose I have seen folks going thru the departed's personal mail and diary once they have moved on... I guess there isn't much of a need for privacy anymore...

I just don't know... but still...

Does fff.net pop up on his desktop automatically with the passwords filled in? I suppose it's likely that he has fff.net set up as his personal homepage on the browser...

Then again, maybe it's the cops or just family member pouring over every last website he visited to see where he's been and wondering what he did and why he did it.

It's the kind of thing that people want answers to when there just ain't no answer sometimes.

And even the most rational people can make the rashest of judgements at times too.

But gonna have to call this one a fake.

Quote:
Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
It wouldn't be unreasonable for family to go through computer accounts.

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MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:40 AM

I have been here on the board for a while, and although I was not Andrew's best friend or anything, I did have conversations with him a few times. I am very sorry to learn of this tragedy. He was a good guy. He had a great love for Firefly, and always expressed himself with passion. He hated Fox, like all good Browncoats, and wasn't afraid to give his opinions on them. I admired him in life and wish him well in the next life.

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:28 PM

This is truly tragic news.

FireflyFanatic, please express our heartfelt condolences to SouthernSlayers family.

I regret I never got to know SS, but I did enjoy reading his impassioned posts. He will be missed.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:27 PM

Okay.... Not that Im not touched by all the nice stuff you've all said bout me but what the hell is going on??? See me typing? Im very much alive! So whos sick mind thought this up??

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernSlayer:
Okay.... Not that Im not touched by all the nice stuff you've all said bout me but what the hell is going on??? See me typing? Im very much alive! So whos sick mind thought this up??

WTF?!?

(Points up to top of thread)

FireflyFanatic said she was a friend of yours and that you had ended yourself 2 weeks ago.

What in the special Hell is going on????

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:38 PM

I dont know that person, or atleast I dont think I do. Im not finding this all too funny. Its sick.

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:45 PM

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Originally posted by SouthernSlayer:
I dont know that person, or atleast I dont think I do. Im not finding this all too funny. Its sick.

Very sick, and very uncool.

What kind of sick, twisted jerk would do something like this, and why?

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:52 PM

A truely sick bastard anyway. Bloody hell now everyone must think Im dead. I'll kill that bastard if i ever find out who it was.

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:06 PM

I seriously think that Haken should ban the person's IP that started this thread.

It is a pretty disgusting and demented thing to do, going to a discussion board and pull an ignorant stunt like this one. What w/ Lux passing away a few weeks ago, this is a real sick prank.

Glad to see that you are well and still w/ us Slayer.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SOUTHERNSLAYER

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:09 PM

Thanks BrownCoat1.

ASTRIANA

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I seriously think that Haken should ban the person's IP that started this thread.

It is a pretty disgusting and demented thing to do, going to a discussion board and pull an ignorant stunt like this one. What w/ Lux passing away a few weeks ago, this is a real sick prank.

Glad to see that you are well and still w/ us Slayer.

I'd have to totally agree with this sentiment. Wonder what we need to do to bring this to Haken's attention?

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:22 PM

Welcome back, SouthernSlayer.

Quote:
Originally posted by Astriana:
I'd have to totally agree with this sentiment. Wonder what we need to do to bring this to Haken's attention?

I only use Haken's email to contact him. I sent a private email to FireFlyFanatic trhough FFFn and it didn't bounce. Haken can get the address, plus information gleaned from the IP address and time of posting can give us an exact address. Is what he did legal?

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:39 PM

Don't mention it Slayer. Just sorry you had to pop in this morning to something like this garbage.

SaintJayne, are you going to shoot an email to Haken about this tasteless joke? If not, I will gladly do so. This sick hwoon dahn definitely needs to be banned for a sick stunt of this nature.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:52 PM

how do we know FireFlyFanatic is a woman though?
Does somebody talk to her regularly?

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernSlayer:
Okay.... Not that Im not touched by all the nice stuff you've all said bout me but what the hell is going on??? See me typing? Im very much alive! So whos sick mind thought this up??

WTF?!?

(Points up to top of thread)

FireflyFanatic said she was a friend of yours and that you had ended yourself 2 weeks ago.

What in the special Hell is going on????

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:54 PM

Well, if the email to FireFlyFnantic thru the fff.net bounced, it would bounce back to the system and not back to you anyways... So, for now, only Haken can do the rest of the tracing...

Quote:
Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
Welcome back, SouthernSlayer.
Quote:
Originally posted by Astriana:
I'd have to totally agree with this sentiment. Wonder what we need to do to bring this to Haken's attention?

I only use Haken's email to contact him. I sent a private email to FireFlyFanatic trhough FFFn and it didn't bounce. Haken can get the address, plus information gleaned from the IP address and time of posting can give us an exact address. Is what he did legal?

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

how do we know FireFlyFanatic is a woman though?
Does somebody talk to her regularly?

Guess that was a mistake on my part, assuming it was a woman. My bad.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:56 PM

hehe, is SouthernSlayer married? Maybe it's his wife or his mother trying to tell him to (not so subtly) to get the hell off the computer and stop spending so much time in alt/space and come back to the meat-space ...

Quote:
Originally posted by Astriana:
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I seriously think that Haken should ban the person's IP that started this thread.

It is a pretty disgusting and demented thing to do, going to a discussion board and pull an ignorant stunt like this one. What w/ Lux passing away a few weeks ago, this is a real sick prank.

Glad to see that you are well and still w/ us Slayer.

I'd have to totally agree with this sentiment. Wonder what we need to do to bring this to Haken's attention?

~A~

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You can't take the sky from me.

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JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:57 PM

Was "Andrew" made up as well?

Quote:
Originally posted by SouthernSlayer:
Thanks BrownCoat1.

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Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:04 PM

So while we are still on this topic. Is it really okay to go thru someone else's private diary, mail, letters, papers, computer files, including the websites they visited, once they have pasted on? and let's just preclude any type of death under mysterious or intentional circumstances (looking for murder clues, etc.)

I know that people do sometimes. But it just feels wrong. It's like, "oh, he/she is dead now, it doesn't really matter". Aren't private things still private? if they had wanted to share those things, they would have shared it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
It wouldn't be unreasonable for family to go through computer accounts.

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NONOLUNA

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:14 PM

SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
So while we are still on this topic. Is it really okay to go thru someone else's private diary, mail, letters, papers, computer files, including the websites they visited, once they have pasted on?

Privacy is no longer an issue for the deceased. Really, it's a question to be answered by the living people involved. If you want to board up their room and never think on it again, or if you want to prop the body up in a corner of a bar and toast to it all night, that's your business.

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:26 PM

I wake up and Southern Slayer is alive? What is going on around here?

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:34 PM

I'm reading this thread and I'm totally shocked someone would say he's dead. Unbelievable.

SEVENPERCENT

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
I wake up and Southern Slayer is alive? What is going on around here?

That's what I said! Good to see he's alive, but I think we need to punish whoever started this little joke- Really, really in the not funny category - Permanent ban from the site, is my vote -

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MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:38 PM

I feel like Wash in the Message!
Mal, what's your dead army buddy doing on the bridge?
Geesh, Slayer, I sure am glad I didn't say anything bad about you. I bet it's like reading your own obituary.

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:43 PM

Here is what I think:

I don't think 'the living' suddenly gains more rights to speak for the person whether said person is dead or alive. If they didn't have the right in the first place, what transpired that made them gain that right? and to completely disrespect a person's privacy? My point was that someone's things are private to them should always be private, whether the person is there or not.

Sure, legally, the dead's property is transferred to someone living for custody. Legally, the living own those things. But what I posit is that we should respect that person's privacy even when they are no longer around. My thinking is that if it was private, it should be private. It they had wanted to share it, they would have. period.

And you can thinking about the person as they are without boarding up the room or tearing thru the diary too. I have only thought about preserving my parents (mummy like) when they depart - I imagine the cost would be astronomical though... but I read from National Geographic that folks in Malaysia and Africa routinely dress up the dead an d let them stand in the living room or in the basement for the first year before burial; without preservatives, that is they rot within some 10 feet or you for the entire year... Though that's not the same privacy issue....

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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
So while we are still on this topic. Is it really okay to go thru someone else's private diary, mail, letters, papers, computer files, including the websites they visited, once they have pasted on?

Privacy is no longer an issue for the deceased. Really, it's a question to be answered by the living people involved. If you want to board up their room and never think on it again, or if you want to prop the body up in a corner of a bar and toast to it all night, that's your business.

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SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
I don't think 'the living' suddenly gains more rights to speak for the person whether said person is dead or alive.

Since the dead cannot, the living must. I don't consider the dead "people". I show nothing but respect to the bodies and posessions, but they are only objects, and somebody needs to be responsible for them.

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If they didn't have the right in the first place, what transpired that made them gain that right?

I'm really fighting the urge to be sarcastic here.

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My thinking is that if it was private, it should be private.

If they safeguard it well enough, it will continue to be so.

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And you can thinking about the person as they are without boarding up the room or tearing thru the diary too.

I was only giving a couple of extreme, real-life examples. Don't read too much into these.

It's difficult not to personify the dead. The closer you are to them, the more this will happen.

LOVEKAYLEE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:39 PM

still all revalling in that whole death thing?...basically i got something to say you cant trust anyone online,not even me. in fact me more than most, i played you little morons from the start i posted the death thread, i picked the member, i then posted on the thread just to cover my own ass and you dupes fell for it hook line and sinker in fact i even began posting in the tag line and all you did was swoon around me like flies on shit. well not only have you been taken for a ride once but twice in 24hours...rather pathetic how trusting you firefly fans are id see to that if i were you. with your blind faith and such utter dedication in all thats good and shiny im sure a movie will be made, did i mention i was a liar? did i also mention i dont know england from iraq also i think i proved a point trust nothing and no one or you might just get duped again. southern slayer i am truly sorry.actually no im not. i got my laughs.also final note may wanna see to the security in this place is going to the dogs.keep flying but with fans like you your more likley to crash, dont bother with the emails..ill see myself out.

LOVEKAYELEE and Fireflyfanatic

MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:42 PM

That wasn't altogether unexpected really. I was considering which of the newbie's it might be. Most imposters never oust themselves though. I think only Tash to date took credit bravely for having a little fun at our expense. Glad your having fun though.

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SUCCATASH

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:49 PM

I like good jokes... but this is all wrong.

SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:49 PM

I love it when you talk dirty!

KURUKAMI

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:16 PM

Am I the only one who had the weird mental vid image after seeing South's resurrection?

----------
Southernslayer lies motionless on a table in a torture room. A hulking figure looms over the prone browncoat, pokes him twice and comments "Yup. He's dead."

:fade to black for commercial break:

An old man in a precisely made suit leans down as Southernslayer, resuscitated, coughs his way back to life. "You died, Mr. Southernslayer. But if you die, we Fox executives can't taunt all of you about cancelling your favorite series, now can we...?"
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Yes, I've got a morbid imagination, to plaster this situation onto the events of "War Stories".

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

ATHERTONWING

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lovekaylee:
thats so sad, lets hope he bought some firefly dvds though.

'shiny!'

'well my days of not taking you seriously are certanly coming to a middle'

we really have ourselves to blame she was kinda mocking his fake death in this earlier post...sigh...

ATHERTONWING

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:21 PM

CAPTAINTIGHTPANTS

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
That wasn't altogether unexpected really. I was considering which of the newbie's it might be. Most imposters never oust themselves though. I think only Tash to date took credit bravely for having a little fun at our expense. Glad your having fun though.

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Hello there,

I gotta agree with your attitude, Maniac. Not a total surprise.

I was starting to see this post thing like the joke that Mal played on Simon in Serenity. Sick and bendy but ultimately harmless and something we can laugh at, but if LoveKaylee/FFF is just here to tell how lame we are then the jokes on her/it/whatever. We might be lame but we're having a blast and we're mighty 'cause we have each other.

"Not as deceiving as a low-down, dirty...deceiver."

You're gonna come with us...

CAPTAINTIGHTPANTS

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kurukami:
Am I the only one who had the weird mental vid image after seeing South's resurrection?

----------
Southernslayer lies motionless on a table in a torture room. A hulking figure looms over the prone browncoat, pokes him twice and comments "Yup. He's dead."

:fade to black for commercial break:

An old man in a precisely made suit leans down as Southernslayer, resuscitated, coughs his way back to life. "You died, Mr. Southernslayer. But if you die, we Fox executives can't taunt all of you about cancelling your favorite series, now can we...?"
----------

Yes, I've got a morbid imagination, to plaster this situation onto the events of "War Stories".

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

Right there with ya!

You're right, that's sick and bendy, but ROFLMAO

.... "'cause sick people are HIGH-larious!"

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:56 PM

I know what you are saying, but I don't understand what you mean.

Legally, once a person is deceased. That person is no more, the property - including the body belongs to someone else. Be it family, or the state if lack of family. Aside from a will instructing for their wishes and probate court, whomever holds the property can do whatever they please (ok, except for the body, beyond a proper burial, cremation, or donating to science - there aren't much other choices)

So legally speaking, there isn't anything more to anyone but their body and their possessions.

But there is difference physically speaking, there are more to a person than just the body and its possessions. And not because of religion or of philosphy or of moral high grounds, but simply because they once were, they influenced, they are remembered and therefore they remember. It's not a simple transference of possession. Whether you liked them or hated them, their memories live on, because the living have a brain and its there.

Let's say its not a diary, it's grandma's locket or someother thing. Those things are barely worth the $1.02 that the crap its made out of. But we still associated grandma and all of our memories of her with it. So, physically speaking, there is more intrinsic value than just the physical value. I think there is more to it than just saying:
"Aw, too bad, you are dead. Screw you and the horse you rode in on. Now I am going to tear thru all of your personal stuff and secrets to find out what you were really thinking privately all by yourself."

Quote:
Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
I don't think 'the living' suddenly gains more rights to speak for the person whether said person is dead or alive.

Since the dead cannot, the living must. I don't consider the dead "people". I show nothing but respect to the bodies and posessions, but they are only objects, and somebody needs to be responsible for them.
Quote:
If they didn't have the right in the first place, what transpired that made them gain that right?

I'm really fighting the urge to be sarcastic here.
Quote:
My thinking is that if it was private, it should be private.

If they safeguard it well enough, it will continue to be so.
Quote:
And you can thinking about the person as they are without boarding up the room or tearing thru the diary too.

I was only giving a couple of extreme, real-life examples. Don't read too much into these.

It's difficult not to personify the dead. The closer you are to them, the more this will happen.

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SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
So, physically speaking, there is more intrinsic value than just the physical value.

Only if there is intrinsic value for the living does that matter. If an object has value only to me and I die, then it has no value.

Quote:
I think there is more to it than just saying: "Aw, too bad, you are dead. Screw you and the horse you rode in on. Now I am going to tear thru all of your personal stuff and secrets to find out what you were really thinking privately all by yourself."

Some people may act like this. Some people my look for secrets (or remember things forgotten) to keep the deceased in mind. Some people are looking for answers. Some people are tying up loose ends. Whatever the motivation, it's only the concerns of the living that matter at this point.

BOURNE

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lovekaylee:
still all revalling in that whole death thing?...basically i got something to say you cant trust anyone online,not even me. in fact me more than most, i played you little morons from the start i posted the death thread, i picked the member, i then posted on the thread just to cover my own ass and you dupes fell for it hook line and sinker in fact i even began posting in the tag line and all you did was swoon around me like flies on shit. well not only have you been taken for a ride once but twice in 24hours...rather pathetic how trusting you firefly fans are id see to that if i were you. with your blind faith and such utter dedication in all thats good and shiny im sure a movie will be made, did i mention i was a liar? did i also mention i dont know england from iraq also i think i proved a point trust nothing and no one or you might just get duped again. southern slayer i am truly sorry.actually no im not. i got my laughs.also final note may wanna see to the security in this place is going to the dogs.keep flying but with fans like you your more likley to crash, dont bother with the emails..ill see myself out.

LOVEKAYELEE and Fireflyfanatic

Well, on behalf of my fellow Browncoats, I'd like to blow you a great, big raspberry!

See, here's the thing I see you're uncomprehending on: There's no shame in mourning or rallying around a fellow fan who turns out to be alive and well after all. The times we trust one another and are justified more than make up for the times we're "duped".

Of COURSE you tricked us. What did it show? That we DO care about one another. Good job, you're OBVIOUSLY smarter than we are...

SEVENPERCENT

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bourne:

Of COURSE you tricked us. What did it show? That we DO care about one another. Good job, you're OBVIOUSLY smarter than we are...

No kidding- And it showed that as a society we take suicide very seriously- This is someone who down the road will cry when something he/she likes gets squashed, then will wonder why no one feels any sympathy-
Now LoveKaylee, run along like the cute little retard that you are and go sabotage something useless, like the Simple Life fansite-
Oh, and here's my parting gift to you-

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

WERZBOWSKI

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lovekaylee:
still all revalling in that whole death thing?...basically i got something to say you cant trust anyone online,not even me. in fact me more than most, i played you little morons from the start i posted the death thread, i picked the member, i then posted on the thread just to cover my own ass and you dupes fell for it hook line and sinker in fact i even began posting in the tag line and all you did was swoon around me like flies on shit. well not only have you been taken for a ride once but twice in 24hours...rather pathetic how trusting you firefly fans are id see to that if i were you. with your blind faith and such utter dedication in all thats good and shiny im sure a movie will be made, did i mention i was a liar? did i also mention i dont know england from iraq also i think i proved a point trust nothing and no one or you might just get duped again. southern slayer i am truly sorry.actually no im not. i got my laughs.also final note may wanna see to the security in this place is going to the dogs.keep flying but with fans like you your more likley to crash, dont bother with the emails..ill see myself out.

LOVEKAYELEE and Fireflyfanatic

Ya know what's truly sad and pathetic here?

That this person has nothing better to do in their life than this kind of gou shi.

"We will rise again!"

ASTRIANA

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Now LoveKaylee, run along like the cute little retard that you are and go sabotage something useless, like the Simple Life fansite-
Oh, and here's my parting gift to you-

And I think calling LoveKaylee/FireflyFanatic a retard is an insult to the entire retard[ed] community...

I second your emotion, SevenPercent.

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

SAFFY

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:21 PM

On the topic of logging in to a dead loved one's accounts: I've belonged to Internet communities in which a member died, and friends/family wanted to notify all the people whom he talked with daily. They had to log in as the user to get that information.

Also, in the event of a friend's suicide, I think I would probably invade his privacy to look for some explanation for what he had done.

I'm very glad this was a hoax, but I have to say I was stunned that there was no backlash to the "I hope he bought DVDs" remark. I was getting ready to compose an angry post until I (fortunately) got the bottom of the thread!

ASTRIANA

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:28 PM

Ditto to that, Saffy... I was ready to spit.

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Saffy:
On the topic of logging in to a dead loved one's accounts: I've belonged to Internet communities in which a member died, and friends/family wanted to notify all the people whom he talked with daily. They had to log in as the user to get that information.

Sure, it's like looking thru an address book, I think that's ok as long as that's all it is and not lingering on personal private e-journals, etc.

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Also, in the event of a friend's suicide, I think I would probably invade his privacy to look for some explanation for what he had done.

Maybe it would help, maybe it wouldn't. But wouldn't you think it would have been more helpful if one could have posed the question earlier - perhaps before hand. Keep in contact and really talk instead of just kinda hang out, drink beer, and watch TV. Just offering my stand, I am not judging. In any case, if crime was involved, then it certainly stands to chance to look for evidence anywhere you can... Suicide - hmmmmm... I think it's borderline (like I said before here and previously in another post). But I say no to just plain being snoopy.

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I'm very glad this was a hoax, but I have to say I was stunned that there was no backlash to the "I hope he bought DVDs" remark. I was getting ready to compose an angry post until I (fortunately) got the bottom of the thread!

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Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
I wake up and Southern Slayer is alive? What is going on around here?

Hmm... Maybe you are Cordelia.. Oh wait, that is next week. Go back to sleep there.

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DRAKON

Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by lovekaylee:
still all revalling in that whole death thing?...basically i got something to say you cant trust anyone online,not even me. in fact me more than most, i played you little morons from the start i posted the death thread, i picked the member, i then posted on the thread just to cover my own ass and you dupes fell for it hook line and sinker in fact i even began posting in the tag line and all you did was swoon around me like flies on shit. well not only have you been taken for a ride once but twice in 24hours...rather pathetic how trusting you firefly fans are id see to that if i were you. with your blind faith and such utter dedication in all thats good and shiny im sure a movie will be made, did i mention i was a liar? did i also mention i dont know england from iraq also i think i proved a point trust nothing and no one or you might just get duped again. southern slayer i am truly sorry.actually no im not. i got my laughs.also final note may wanna see to the security in this place is going to the dogs.keep flying but with fans like you your more likley to crash, dont bother with the emails..ill see myself out.

LOVEKAYELEE and Fireflyfanatic

My God. Is it? Is it really you?

I know who this wacked out person is. And so do all of you. Think a minute. Who does this sound like more than anybody?

Somebody check the garbage dump, cause Saffron's escaped.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:01 PM

So run their IP, call it in to their provider, and their local law enforcement (there's provisions under identity theft law for this sort of thing) - I know that sounds "too much like work" but one of the real hassles of the internet is the lack of consequences for this sort of behavior directly encourage it.

That's for Haken and Southern Slayer to do, or not, as they wish - but do bear in mind if you don't drop a big heavy boot on such crap at the very start, it can sink an internet community in short order, some of us have watched it happen all too many times.

So I'd seriously reccommend an ass kicking here to put paid to this kind of thing before it becomes common.

-frem
"ill behavior, without consequence, will continue." - Dispatch 3

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lovekaylee:
still all revalling in that whole death thing?...basically i got something to say you cant trust anyone online,not even me. in fact me more than most, i played you little morons from the start i posted the death thread, i picked the member, i then posted on the thread just to cover my own ass and you dupes fell for it hook line and sinker in fact i even began posting in the tag line and all you did was swoon around me like flies on shit. well not only have you been taken for a ride once but twice in 24hours...rather pathetic how trusting you firefly fans are id see to that if i were you. with your blind faith and such utter dedication in all thats good and shiny im sure a movie will be made, did i mention i was a liar? did i also mention i dont know england from iraq also i think i proved a point trust nothing and no one or you might just get duped again. southern slayer i am truly sorry.actually no im not. i got my laughs.also final note may wanna see to the security in this place is going to the dogs.keep flying but with fans like you your more likley to crash, dont bother with the emails..ill see myself out.

LOVEKAYELEE and Fireflyfanatic

Oh, aren't you the clever one. (Please note heavy sarcasm)

The only thing you proved is that as a community we care about one of our own. If anything, that shows that we pull together and we have a heart.

On the flip side, there are losers like you LoveKaylee Or FireflyFanatic, whatever name you want to go by. Aren't you special, you post on a message board where no one but the Admin can prove who you are. You are so very clever......in your own mind.

Seems you have a lot of free time on your hands. The sad thing is that the only ones laughing here, are us, not you. You obviously have no life, and pulling a sick joke like this is how you get your sick thrills. Run out of flies to pull the wings off of? So we all get to set back, point at you and how pitiful and idiotic your attempt at a "joke" is, and how foolish you come off looking.

Don't worry about Firefly, the movie, or the board. We did well enough long before you skulked in, and we will be doing well after you skulk back to your child porn site, sitting alone in your little apartment, all alone, with no friends or family.

Just crawl back into your hole & don't show your face here anymore.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

JASONZZZ

Friday, January 30, 2004 5:43 AM

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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
So, physically speaking, there is more intrinsic value than just the physical value.

Only if there is intrinsic value for the living does that matter. If an object has value only to me and I die, then it has no value.

Hmmm... I am sure Lincoln thought nothing of his spitoon... But, plenty of people would like to have it.

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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:

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I think there is more to it than just saying: "Aw, too bad, you are dead. Screw you and the horse you rode in on. Now I am going to tear thru all of your personal stuff and secrets to find out what you were really thinking privately all by yourself."

Some people may act like this. Some people my look for secrets (or remember things forgotten) to keep the deceased in mind. Some people are looking for answers. Some people are tying up loose ends. Whatever the motivation, it's only the concerns of the living that matter at this point.

I think I am getting what you are saying. Let me take a stab at it. You are saying that once a person is dead, they do not physically have a way to influence on the state of affairs. I think I can agree with you there - although folks who believe in the paranormal who think otherwise. But I think you person who has now expired can still have their way by having expressed their wishes before hand, I think there are both legal and moral precedents that illustrates this. Think of the will (something very legalstic and more powerful) and the little blue dot on the driver license (more social contract'ish than the legal stuff). The will allows the dead, not physically, but perhaps legally to enforce their wishes (sure, you can't say that " I want Sue and Jack to be killed after I am done", it's got to be up and up) . That's even after they have died.

And think about all of the stories about the Dead Man's last wish/words. You've got to do it! It was his last wish!

I certainly understand why people in the family would want to pry. People wants to pry into JFK's and Nixon's private memoirs too. But those don't get opened up until most everyone who cares to remember is also dead. Anyways, all I am saying is that, I think there are legal and social aspects of it to carry out the dead's former wishes.

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Friday, January 30, 2004 6:31 AM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
I think I am getting what you are saying.

It looks like we have the happy middle ground. I'll also agree that a deceased and their last wishes command a great deal of respect - from most of us. That's where law steps in to dictate what is socially acceptable.

RKLENSETH

Friday, January 30, 2004 6:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So run their IP, call it in to their provider, and their local law enforcement (there's provisions under identity theft law for this sort of thing) - I know that sounds "too much like work" but one of the real hassles of the internet is the lack of consequences for this sort of behavior directly encourage it.

That's for Haken and Southern Slayer to do, or not, as they wish - but do bear in mind if you don't drop a big heavy boot on such crap at the very start, it can sink an internet community in short order, some of us have watched it happen all too many times.

So I'd seriously reccommend an ass kicking here to put paid to this kind of thing before it becomes common.

-frem
"ill behavior, without consequence, will continue." - Dispatch 3

Here, here to that.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 8:04 AM

So....

What's the verdict?

Have we captured the culprit?

Have they been banished?

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 3:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

So....

What's the verdict?

Have we captured the culprit?

Have they been banished?

Haven't heard a peep about this "person" or whether or not they had been banned.

Clicking on "its" profile, looks like they have not been here since 1/28 @ 07:40, just after they admitted to being a cave dwelling troll.

Good riddance.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SAINT JAYNE

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 3:46 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Clicking on "its" profile, looks like they have not been here since 1/28 @ 07:40, just after they admitted to being a cave dwelling troll.

That doesn't keep him from anonymously reading these posts. Or signing up as another user with another (unbanned) IP address/e-mail address. I can't imagine him just leaving like that, and not enjoying all the turmoil.

KNIBBLET

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 4:31 PM

Jason,
I posted a new threat "Death and Privacy" to discuss this. You might be surprised.
b

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

It's like, "oh, he/she is dead now, it doesn't really matter". Aren't private things still private? if they had wanted to share those things, they would have shared it
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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
It wouldn't be unreasonable for family to go through computer accounts.

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GORRAMREAVERS

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 7:29 PM

They reserve a special place in hell for people like this..kinda place for child molesters and people who think suicide is funny.

SPECIAL HELL

BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 7:36 PM

SaintJayne wrote:

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That doesn't keep him from anonymously reading these posts. Or signing up as another user with another (unbanned) IP address/e-mail address. I can't imagine him just leaving like that, and not enjoying all the turmoil.

I agree SJ. No doubt the sock puppet is reading now. Must lead a pretty lonely life if something like this does it for them.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

LTNOWIS

Thursday, February 5, 2004 9:22 PM

Since we all know this post was created by a troll, wouldn't the logical thing be to move it to troll country? Unless we all want to keep talking about the rights of the dead.

KNIBBLET

Thursday, February 5, 2004 9:24 PM

The dead or the undead?

Vampires have rights too, ya know.

Zombies don't. In particular, flesh-eating zombies have no rights. Unless it's to ketchup.

:)

PHLEBOTININ

Thursday, February 5, 2004 9:44 PM

I heartily second all those who are calling for action against this pathetic troll. I find her/him/its behavior beyond offensive. Having known someone who committed suicide I -- well, I won't say anymore. But I'm mad and deeply offended on both SouthernSlayer's behalf and on the behalf of all of the fireflyfans.net commnity. I hope that Haken or whomever can do something to prevent this idiot from coming back.

I did find the "gee hope he bought some Firefly DVDs" line to be really bizarre at the time I read it. But you see, that's the thing about a community, whether it's online or not. Your first instinct is to at least initially trust other members and to circle the wagons; it's an unspoken agreement. Someone purposely violating the trust and then sneering about it hasn't pulled anything clever off. It's easy to take a big stinkin' dump in the village square. But really, what else does that accomplish but show that you're a total idiot?