Jean Charles de Menezes
POSTED BY: Gixxer
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 15:39
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Britain has had a fair few low moments in its history, but you would have to look far to find anything more craven and utterly shameful than today's statement that no-one was to blame.
...Or rather not quite no-one. Apparently, the Government and legislature are... (and I drop into quotes here, because if I can hardly believe it, you're not going to either)
"...satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to prosecute the Office of Commissioner of Police for an offence under sections 3 and 33 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 of failing to provide for the health, safety and welfare of Jean Charles de Menezes on July 22 2005."
Pardon my language, but What. The. Fuck?
Up until today, I reckoned that the spin-doctoring in the immediate aftermath ( describing how he was suspiciously, on a hot day, wearing a puffer jacket and had vaulted the ticket barriers in order to evade capture), was as foul as you could imagine. No, I tell a lie, the rape allegation that surfaced shortly afterwards stank even more.
This farcical prosecution outshines even those as undoubtably the most asinine and cynical insult ever offered to a bereaved family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
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I have to agree
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5186050.stm
Mind you I suspect if this incident happened in the US, there wouldn't even be this much of a prosecution..... they just would have said hey terrorist and tried to leave it at that.
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
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Yup. Anyone know what happened to that guy who was shot at the airport and the marshall claimed he said he had a bomb whereas all the passengers said he definitely didn't?
It's hard to prosecute the people who did the shooting because they weren't to know but those who gave the orders... they must face the consequences, especially in view of the cover-up/smear campaign that followed.
However I suspect Blair and Blair have a tit for tat deal going on with this and the cash for honours case.
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Yup. Anyone know what happened to that guy who was shot at the airport and the marshall claimed he said he had a bomb whereas all the passengers said he definitely didn't?
It's hard to prosecute the people who did the shooting because they weren't to know but those who gave the orders... they must face the consequences, especially in view of the cover-up/smear campaign that followed.
However I suspect Blair and Blair have a tit for tat deal going on with this and the cash for honours case.
Edit : Oh wait, that did happen already
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigoberto_Alpizar
" On May 23, 2006 the Miami-Dade state attorney's office determined that the two air marshals, who were never identified for national security reasons, were legally justified. "
The Nuremberg trials should have established for all time that " I was following orders " is not an excuse... shooter on up the chain of command should be looked at in both cases, and if their action are above the law in each country, they should be proscuted...
Mind especially in the US case, that simply can't happen behind closed doors, when all the eye wittness's come forward with a different story than the un-named government shooter.... and then with no public inquiry the whole thing gets labelled " justified "
Smells pretty bad to me
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
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This crime happens every day in USSA. Copsters especially gun down people sitting or sleeping in parked cars at gas stations, for some bizarre reason. They also enjoy breaking into to the homes of innocent people and gunning them down, which is a game England is now learning to enjoy. The smell of Freedom...
How can I get the Captain to shoot a cop in the face, and make it right? That extra moment of sadism - that's the thing that says it's okay, buddy, you're not up to spec, you're going down!
-Joss the Boss, Firefly DVD, censored Episode 1 "Serenity"
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Mal shoots cop in the head
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
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Originally posted by piratenews:
This crime happens every day in USSA. Copsters especially gun down people sitting or sleeping in parked cars at gas stations, for some bizarre reason. They also enjoy breaking into to the homes of innocent people and gunning them down, which is a game England is now learning to enjoy. The smell of Freedom...
How can I get the Captain to shoot a cop in the face, and make it right? That extra moment of sadism - that's the thing that says it's okay, buddy, you're not up to spec, you're going down!
-Joss the Boss, Firefly DVD, censored Episode 1 "Serenity"
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Mal shoots cop in the head
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org]
I guess you must be right pirate... such incidents must be common fare in the US...
nobody seems to want to talk about this, so you must right.
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
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I think PN's referring to no-knock warrants, a lot of which are executed on the wrong address, or via an informants (often deliberate) misinformation - which results in a bunch of trigger happy, pumped up 'rocketjock' cops with an aggressive military mindset and way too much firepower kicking in some civvies door and going ballistic.
And yes, it happens a lot, often resulting in fatalities, and people and the press like to act like it's not a problem.
Cops as a general rule are pretty psychotic these days, and lack of proper oversight is a primary and direct contributor to the problem.
And if you think cops are decent people, you've never surreptiously watched one repeatedly taser a 'perp' while giggling to himself.
Extreme Authority + Zero Effective Oversight = BAD people, to me they're just another gang with colors, code of silence and the like, which we allow to lord over us because damned fools believe words on paper can protect them from the ugly realities of life.
That's why they get so pissed when someone actually defends themSELF - if society ever realizes what useless parasites they are, they won't be able to indulge in school bully jock boy behavior on a national scale anymore.
Unknown news does a good job of keeping track of some of the more horrific abuses, via (mostly) credible sources.
http://www.unknownnews.net/060715stinkybadges.html
So, in this case, Police/Sadism/Violence issues, he's not that far off the mark.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And if you think cops are decent people, you've never surreptiously watched one repeatedly taser a 'perp' while giggling to himself.
That's a pretty big brush that you're painting with.
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That's why they get so pissed when someone actually defends themSELF.
It's called resisting arrest.
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So, in this case, Police/Sadism/Violence issues, he's not that far off the mark.
I agree that there have been several WELL documented instances of police wrong-doing in the past. But to overlook the tremendous good done by police everyday (except traffic cops
) and say all police are gangsters IMHO is irresponsible.De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Cops as a general rule are pretty psychotic these days, and lack of proper oversight is a primary and direct contributor to the problem.
And if you think cops are decent people, you've never surreptiously watched one repeatedly taser a 'perp' while giggling to himself.
Wow. And all Blacks are criminals, and all Jews ursurers, and all Irish happy drunks. Let's just stereotype everyone. All Muslims are terrorists, and all Americans are red-neck warmongers.
Having known several law enforcement officers, I can tell you that that I've seen no evidence that they'e any less diverse than the normal population.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Saying all cops are bad is going too far, mind you giving all cops the benefit of the doubt because of there position is equally wrong....
Look at the facts in the Florida case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigoberto_Alpizar
Did that not deserve more of a review... or was it whitewashed because of politics.
Note the AG never said why he felt it was justified ( no where I found anyway ) he just closed the case ???
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
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