Ward Churchill B*tch Slapped by CU Committee for Plaigarism
POSTED BY: BarnStormer
UPDATED: Saturday, May 20, 2006 02:21
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About damn time if you ask me (not that you did).
http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/download/WardChurchillR
eport.pdf
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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Because for a long time, you've been concerned about his possible plagiarisms, right?
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Gosh, I really hate to bump this up, but this was my position:
Quote:And that dear friend is the difference between you and me. I was willing to wait for due process, I was not defending Churchill. You said there were many unsavory FACTS about Churchill - his un-pedigreed blood lines, a predilection to violence and threatening, plagiarism of artwork - all in pretext to 'get' him due to his 'infamous' essay (resurrected two years later). None of those have yet proved true. But that didn't stop you then, did it?
'Your ilk': on this thread, specifically Auraptor, Finn, Geezer, Barnstormer, and you (the usual gang) whose message has been - No place for data ! No time for proof !! To hell with due process !!! Whip up a mob - get Ward Churchill NOW by innuendo, by agitation, by pressure !
Is that not a virtual lynching?
Personally, I'm willing to WAIT and see what the academics find as fact. They have access to so much more real data than you, your buds, I, or anyone else on this board. And at that time Professor Churchill will have the opportunity to address any claims against him.
I've read enough about him that I can't imagine selecting him as a friend. And yet I will still defend him against your extra-legal trial.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by rue:
Gosh, I really hate to bump this up, but this was my position:Quote:And that dear friend is the difference between you and me. I was willing to wait for due process, I was not defending Churchill. You said there were many unsavory FACTS about Churchill - his un-pedigreed blood lines, a predilection to violence and threatening, plagiarism of artwork - all in pretext to 'get' him due to his 'infamous' essay (resurrected two years later). None of those have yet proved true. But that didn't stop you then, did it?
'Your ilk': on this thread, specifically Auraptor, Finn, Geezer, Barnstormer, and you (the usual gang) whose message has been - No place for data ! No time for proof !! To hell with due process !!! Whip up a mob - get Ward Churchill NOW by innuendo, by agitation, by pressure !
Is that not a virtual lynching?
Personally, I'm willing to WAIT and see what the academics find as fact. They have access to so much more real data than you, your buds, I, or anyone else on this board. And at that time Professor Churchill will have the opportunity to address any claims against him.
I've read enough about him that I can't imagine selecting him as a friend. And yet I will still defend him against your extra-legal trial.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
Rue
Before you get so angry with me, maybe you should research what my past posts say regarding this subject.
And, take a hard look at what you have said in the past.
ie.
One of your responses from the Karl Rove thread. Were is the due process?
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RUE
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 20:16
Quote: Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.
I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?
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Begin my post in the same thread.
Please note my reference to Churchill. In the end, Churchill was not disciplined for his Eichman statements ect, but for stealing the works of others. His free speech is protected by law, no matter how much what he says disgusts me. I was only happy to see he is to be punished for his REAL transgressions. But my happiness is due only to how reprehensible I find the man to be.
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BARNSTORMER
Friday, July 22, 2005 - 05:18
Cut and paste from SignyM post above.
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So I shouldn't trash-talk Rove, O'Reilly shouldn't trash Wilson, and Gingrich shouldn't have trashed Clinton because it's too easy to ruin a reputation by rumor and innuendo. Do I get your point?
But then, in order to avoid the free-for-all that seems to have taken over politics nowadays, it sounds like nobody should say anything about anybody ... unless it's nice? I'm sure that isn't your intent, so you must have some sort of ideal in mind how people can exchange information and opinions without "trashing" people.
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I think there is a big difference between "Trash Talking" and "Inflated Rhetoric".
For instance, in another thread I expressed my personal opinion of Ward Churchill (It was not flattering). Again, it was only my personal opinion of the mans character based upon his "Little Eichman" essay and other publications he has made in the past. I call that "Trash Talking".
Regardless of my personal opinion of his character however, the decision to dismiss him from his teaching post should not be based
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Quote:This was as per Bush's original quotes, until he started to flip-flop.
RUE "You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 20:16
Quote: Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.
I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?
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Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." (September 30, 2003)
McClellan: I think I made that very clear last week. The topic came up, and I said that if anyone in this administration was responsible for the leaking of classified information, they would no longer work in this administration. (October 6, 2003)
Bush: "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is...If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of." (February 11, 2004)
Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration." (July 18, 2005)
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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As to what YOU said and supported under this thread: Ward Churchill - NOT a Native American? Fire him.
Churchill admits he's not a Native American, and now it comes out he was accused of plagiarism
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How come you did'nt comment about the plagiarism Rue. Just curious mind you. (Largely b/c it was only an allegation at the time, a point I made abundantly clear more than once. Rue)
It's apparently not the first time he has done it, and not the first time he's threatened violence either.
It looks like he may lose his golden tenure parachute from CU due to the Plagiarism and threatening of the female Nova Scotia professor.
Not to mention his physical attack of the Journalist who dared to ask him about the Native American artwork he copied and passed off as his own. Or the female CU professor who was physically threatened by him on campus
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How come no one will comment on the Churchill Plagarism deal? (see above, bimbo) I mean after all, it included both written essays and works of art. Coupled with threats of violence if his accusers don't keep their mouths shut?
Never mind the 9/11 essay or the dubious ancestry, this turd is disgrace to his supposed profession.
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finn
Sort of telling isn’t? :D
It really puts things into perspective to see where some people’s priorities lie. Here we have the pedantic ramblings of a man who condones the intentional murder of thousands of innocent civilians based on some misguided fantasy of nationalistic pride. The psychosis of Hitler almost to the letter and some people can’t bring themselves to denounce this guy, apparently because he’s a fellow Left-winger. Instead they try to deflect the issue to the Right. The latest story is to try to bring up some journalist who snuck into the Whitehouse. During a discussion about the ‘befittingness’ of mass murder we are supposed to be outraged over some weirdo web blogger as if there is any equivalency at all. It's telling. It's very telling.
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Yes, it is very telling is'nt it.
Of course they should be given the benefit of the doubt. They could be researching their responses after all.
Maybe....
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Any more confusion I can clear up for you?
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:Quote:This was as per Bush's original quotes, until he started to flip-flop.
RUE "You can see anything, if you use the right filters ..."
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 20:16
Quote: Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.
I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?Quote:
Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action." (September 30, 2003)
McClellan: I think I made that very clear last week. The topic came up, and I said that if anyone in this administration was responsible for the leaking of classified information, they would no longer work in this administration. (October 6, 2003)
Bush: "If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is...If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of." (February 11, 2004)
Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration." (July 18, 2005)
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
With all due respect Rue, I don't get your point.
In the first quote above you agreed with someone who stated that "Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined".
That may as well be in the dictionary under "guilty until proven innocent". Again, where is the due process?????? As far as I know there is no evidence that Rove had anything to do with it. It sounds like you advocate punishing anyone who ever gets accused of anything, whether it be correct or not. Accusation is enough.
As far as your second quote, I see nothing in those statements by Bush et al that says that Rove did it, or anyone else for that matter. Bush only stated that IF anyone in his administration leaked it, they would be dealt with.
Am I completely off base here Rue?
If I am, my apologies, but please take the time to clue me in.
I have on occasion been inflicted with the "DUH" factor. Your comments are welcome.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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Rue, you left out an important part.
You know, until I read your post, I had'nt heard that he was misquoted in Hawaii. My bad.
I read the retraction in the paper posted, so
what he did say was he was less than 1/4 Indian.
Zero is less than 1/4 isnt it?
All these real Indian groups seem to agree he is not an indian.....and have been petitioning CU to dump him for years. Mmmmmm.
How come you did'nt comment about the plagiarism Rue. Just curious mind you.
It's apparently not the first time he has done it, and not the first time he's threatened violence either.
It looks like he may lose his golden tenure parachute from CU due to the Plagiarism and threatening of the female Nova Scotia professor.
Not to mention his physical attack of the Journalist who dared to ask him about the Native American artwork he copied and passed off as his own. Or the female CU professor who was physically threatened by him on campus.
Why do you defend this Turd Rue?
By the way, what does Guckert have to do with the subject of this thread?
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
The following is to clarify my true agenda....
Barnstormer:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
"The latest story is to try to bring up some journalist who snuck into the Whitehouse. During a discussion about the ‘befittingness’ of mass murder we are supposed to be outraged over some weirdo web blogger as if there is any equivalency at all."
He didn't "sneak" into the White House, he was given clearance as a White House reporter even before he started working for the so-called news publication Talon (which itself is a front for the Republican Party).
As far as Churchill is concerned, you really just want to go after this guy because of WHAT HE SAID, not because of plagarism, or because he said he was an Indian, don't you? You just want to nail this guy for ANY reason. Conversely, it doesn't matter HOW hypocritical the whole Guckert situation is, the guy gets a pass because he's pro-Bush, right? It's called "conlfating" issues- a favorite word of the right, look it up.
If you want to talk about what Churchill said, and you feel he should be nailed for it, fine. But in the meantime, stop presenting this as a plagarism horror story because we all KNOW what your agenda is, and bitching about plagarism just makes you look stupid. Try to disentangle your hidden agendas from your rationalizations and bring some intellectual rigor to the table. Or maybe just some rigor, or maybe rigor mortis. Whatever.
Whoa SygnyM, Whoa
Temper now, watch the Temper. Did I twang a sensitive nerve there?
I never did present this as a "Plagiarism Horror story" as you put it. I was merely pointing out some additional facts about Ward Churchill that I felt were a good barometer of his character (meaning he has no character).
I've not tried to keep it a secret that I think Ward Churchill is a "Turd". Here, I'll say it again, under oath:
"I Barnstormer, do fully believe with all my heart that Ward Churchill is truly a TURD"
There, see, no secret agenda there.
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There, that ends that.
See, no indictment, no kangaroo court, just me being happy that Jerk Off excuse for a human being got slapped down.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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PLEASE READ MY POST
Quote:Because THAT'S WHAT BUSH PROMISED, bimbo.
In the first quote above you agreed with someone who stated that "Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined". That may as well be in the dictionary under "guilty until proven innocent".
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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PLEASE READ MY POST
Quote:As I stated more than once, including in this thread, I did not defend Churchill. Bimbo.
How come you did'nt (sic) comment about the plagiarism Rue. Just curious mind you.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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