trash- a lovely touch

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UPDATED: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 23:07
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STUBBS

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:27 PM

In Objects in Space, Jubal Early claims that he has been follwing Serenity since Ariel. I paid no mind to that comment, but after watching Trash the other day I noticed a nice little bonus Joss has thrown in. When Saffron and Mal break into her 'husbands' home and Saffron has a look out of the window, two ships fly past. One is slightly closer and is an unknown ship. The other passes by further down the screen, and is quite clearly Early's ship. I am going to be looking closely at the other episodes between Ariel and Objects... to find more neat touches like this.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:29 PM

wow! Good one - I never noticed. Will look when I get my loaned DVD back!

m4p

I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

PURPLEBELLY

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:34 PM

Is now the time to discuss, again, which episodes, in this context, lie between Ariel and Objects in Space?

My 2p says: just War Stories.

STUBBS

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:38 PM

what do you mean? i'm not sure i get your tone

Stubbs

DAVESHAYNE

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Is now the time to discuss, again, which episodes, in this context, lie between Ariel and Objects in Space?

My 2p says: just War Stories.

Only in the Fox order which is clearly wrong. Going by production order would have War Stories followed by Heart of Gold and then Objects in Space. DVD order (the official and to my mind most satisfactory ordering of the shows) inserts Trash and The Message betwixt WS and HoG.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

EVILDINOSAUR

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:31 PM

that's freakin awesome, I must look for that as soon as I get home lol

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

PURPLEBELLY

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:59 AM

Quote:
Going by production order would have War Stories followed by Heart of Gold and then Objects in Space.

Quote:
Shooting script:
Firefly - "Objects in Space"

Written & Directed by: Joss Whedon

Episode #: 1AGE11

SHOOTING SCRIPT: November 12, 2002

Quote:
Shooting script:
Firefly - "Heart of Gold"

Written by: Brett Matthews
Directed by: Tom Wright

Episode #: 1AGE12
Story #: E01807

SHOOTING SCRIPT: October 29, 2002
BLUE REVISIONS: October 30,2002
PINK REVISIONS: October 31,2002
YELLOW REVISIONS: December 16,2002

The revisions on the shooting scripts show that Heart of Gold follows Objects in Space.

Quote:
DVD order (the official and to my mind most satisfactory ordering of the shows) inserts Trash and The Message betwixt WS and HoG.

IMHO: this is a revisionist order, used to give a projection towards the comix and movie and also to end (sic) the TV series on Whedon's artistic high-note -- which I have no problem with, but is ex post facto in the context of the OP.

DUTCHBOY

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:50 AM

I read that very same thing on some site a while ago. I love those touches!

MAL
I mean, I knew her clientele was... varied...

WASH
Yeah, but, I mean, you know... damn.

DAVESHAYNE

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Quote:
Going by production order would have War Stories followed by Heart of Gold and then Objects in Space.

Quote:
Shooting script:
Firefly - "Objects in Space"

Written & Directed by: Joss Whedon

Episode #: 1AGE11

SHOOTING SCRIPT: November 12, 2002
Quote:
Shooting script:
Firefly - "Heart of Gold"

Written by: Brett Matthews
Directed by: Tom Wright

Episode #: 1AGE12
Story #: E01807

SHOOTING SCRIPT: October 29, 2002
BLUE REVISIONS: October 30,2002
PINK REVISIONS: October 31,2002
YELLOW REVISIONS: December 16,2002

The revisions on the shooting scripts show that Heart of Gold follows Objects in Space.

Quote:
DVD order (the official and to my mind most satisfactory ordering of the shows) inserts Trash and The Message betwixt WS and HoG.

IMHO: this is a revisionist order, used to give a projection towards the comix and movie and also to end (sic) the TV series on Whedon's artistic high-note -- which I have no problem with, but is ex post facto in the context of the OP.

Except of course that Heart of Gold isn't 1AGE12 it's 1AGE10 - clearly prior to OiS in production order. Also the fact that Inara and Mal refer to her decision to leave the ship made in Heart of Gold is to me clinching evidence that OiS follows HoG. Now it is possible that at some time in the production process the episodes were in a different order - as produced - they clearly follow the timeline I've provided.

Now the question of Trash and The Message is a bit more open. There are areas of each episode that suggest that they should come after OiS (Jayne: Girl's a mind reading genious and she still can't figure out how to eat ice planet.) and of course they were produced later. However it kind of messes up Inara's story. Two whole episodes that don't mention Inara's decision to leave the ship made in HoG and confirmed in OiS.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

STUBBS

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:15 PM

i think at the end of the day all that matters is what joss wanted to tell and show us. The firefly dvd boxset is heis version of the story, the one that hasnt been tampered with by the tw*ts at fox. Instead of trying to work out the episodes between Trash and Objects... we should focus on finding more little clues like this that link Jubal Early to the crew of serenity

Stubbs

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