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Joss is contraversial...

POSTED BY: canadianjon
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 23:44
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Friday, April 25, 2003 9:29 PM

Dont flame me (or do.. whatever)
I love firefly buffy and angel, my 3 favorite
shows, and so on.

But...
I am worried that Joss is going over the line,
and MANY people could get offended. I'm not really
offended personally, just shocked that this stuff
makes it onto TV, a show aimed at a younger audience.

The worst thing I've ever seen was the "snuff"
scene in Angel when they killed the girl to bring
Jasmine. It was more than a little messed up.
Also Caleb, is quite the sicko as well, especially
for easter weekend. My friend suggested that now
that the shows may be over, he can go "all out"
and show off his more depraved ideas. If he gets this reputation, It seems like it could only hurt the chances of seeing more firefly.

I also recommended firefly to a religious friend
and her first impression was Jubal saying he would rape Kaylee, saying she will die weeping.

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:12 PM

Stories that "play it safe" are not very interesting.

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:28 PM

Would your friend rather watch Kaylee get threatened or Monica Lewinsky act as chaperone to a woman macking on men in masks?

Two points: Great art [should] always contain[s] a kernel of truth. Great art is often controversial.

From that can we extrapolate that great art, including well made scripted television shows are controversial because they contain a kernel of truth and often thematically resonate from that truthfulness? I think we can. The controversy, then, springs from one's identification with or interest in some facet of the perceived "wrong" act--murder, threat, rape.

Is that wrong, disgusting or immoral? Not in and of itself. It is human nature to be in equal parts fascinated and repulsed by what our societies, cultures and cultural memories tell us is primitive, savage and depraved.

If Firefly and its predecessors provide visual texts for people to explore those things then it is exactly as valuable as it is controversial.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:49 PM

But walking the contraversial path is dangerous. It can offend people into not watching the programs. To do the contraversial thing is to walk a fine line.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:55 PM

All controversial artists should be prepared to pose nude after enough people are pissed off at them.

Somehow, it makes the problem go away.

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:57 PM

But it might bring up a new topic to discuss.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

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Friday, April 25, 2003 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Succatash:
All controversial artists should be prepared to pose nude after enough people are pissed off at them.

Somehow, it makes the problem go away.



Following this logic, we should get to see your naked hiney real soon now, Succatash, given the controversy of last weekend.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Friday, April 25, 2003 11:00 PM

Um, I don't want to see Succatash's hiney, at all. Let's just says all is forgivin and hug- fully clothed.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

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Friday, April 25, 2003 11:03 PM

LOL

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Friday, April 25, 2003 11:05 PM

I'm just going to say this: I'm all about the hiney!

Succatash's hiney! Awwwww yeah!

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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